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Old 09-29-2008, 11:46 PM
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Default Market lower than one Bush took office - and Asia is tanking

Just a heads up - tommorrow may be another day but it still won't be a good one for the stock market.

Global stock markets braced for a sharp declines on Tuesday, with Asian markets getting hammered in the morning session, after the House's rejection of a $700 billion financial bailout sparked a broad selloff in the U.S
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Japan's Nikkei 225 Average [JP;N225 11199.07 -544.54 (-4.64%)] fell roughly 5 percent Tuesday, hitting its lowest level this year, following the Dow Jones Industrial Average's 7 percent plunge. Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index was down a whopping 6 percent.

US stock futures were pointing to a lower open on Tuesday as well.

"Short term, the market is getting crushed. But more importantly, we are telling clients we could be at the beginning of a whole new down phase," said Bill Strazzullo, partner and chief market strategist at Bell Curve Trading in Boston.

He said the benchmark S&P 500 falling to the 1,000 level was not out of the question.

"We have to see what happens here," Strazzullo said. "It is totally uncharted. I think it is very difficult to gauge. It's not trying to predict an economic event. It's a political event and you never know what is going on behind the scenes."

Though Republicans and Democrats vowed to renegotiate a revised bailout proposal, it was unclear whether any plan would be able to pass Congress now.

Analysts said the freezing of credit markets and signs that more and more banks are now succumbing to the strains stemming from the U.S. housing slump probably will fuel more volatility.

U.S. short-term interest rate futures surged higher on Monday, sharply increasing the implied chances for a big Federal Reserve rate cut in October due to worries about the economy and the financial system.

Futures now show more than a 50-percent chance that the Fed will slash its benchmark lending rate by 50 basis points in October, to 1.5 percent, up from 32 percent late on Friday.


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Old 09-30-2008, 12:22 AM
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What do you expect. This whole thing has been spit and duct tape for the last 20 years. You cannot honestly pin all of this on Bush. Clinton's administration had a rather large hand it as well. But he lucked out and the SHTF when Bush was in office.
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You cannot honestly pin all of this on Bush.
And yet this didn't happen under Clinton...can you explain why that is so?

Explain why the S&L Debacle happen under Reagan?

Expalin why Enron happened under Bush?

Explain why the implosion of the subprime market happened under Bush.

Do we blame the gun manufacturer for the crimes? If you can blame Clinton for what Bush did, then shouldn't we blame the gun maker for what criminals do?
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And yet this didn't happen under Clinton...can you explain why that is so?

Explain why the S&L Debacle happen under Reagan?

Expalin why Enron happened under Bush?

Explain why the implosion of the subprime market happened under Bush.

Do we blame the gun manufacturer for the crimes? If you can blame Clinton for what Bush did, then shouldn't we blame the gun maker for what criminals do?
Uhhh yes they do blame gun manufacturers for crimes. They do it all the time. This didnt happen under Clinton because it was patch together enough it took 5 to 10 for it to come undone. Seriously Affrayer take your partisan hat off and look at the facts. A whole lot of people are to blame for this. Bush is not the only one with his hand in the cookie jar. Even Captain "We had a Surplus" ****ed around on this one too.
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:10 AM
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Just a heads up - tommorrow may be another day but it still won't be a good one for the stock market.

Global stock markets braced for a sharp declines on Tuesday, with Asian markets getting hammered in the morning session, after the House's rejection of a $700 billion financial bailout sparked a broad selloff in the U.S..

Japan's Nikkei 225 Average [JP;N225 11199.07 -544.54 (-4.64%)] fell roughly 5 percent Tuesday, hitting its lowest level this year, following the Dow Jones Industrial Average's 7 percent plunge. Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index was down a whopping 6 percent.

US stock futures were pointing to a lower open on Tuesday as well.

"Short term, the market is getting crushed. But more importantly, we are telling clients we could be at the beginning of a whole new down phase," said Bill Strazzullo, partner and chief market strategist at Bell Curve Trading in Boston.

He said the benchmark S&P 500 falling to the 1,000 level was not out of the question.

"We have to see what happens here," Strazzullo said. "It is totally uncharted. I think it is very difficult to gauge. It's not trying to predict an economic event. It's a political event and you never know what is going on behind the scenes."

Though Republicans and Democrats vowed to renegotiate a revised bailout proposal, it was unclear whether any plan would be able to pass Congress now.

Analysts said the freezing of credit markets and signs that more and more banks are now succumbing to the strains stemming from the U.S. housing slump probably will fuel more volatility.

U.S. short-term interest rate futures surged higher on Monday, sharply increasing the implied chances for a big Federal Reserve rate cut in October due to worries about the economy and the financial system.

Futures now show more than a 50-percent chance that the Fed will slash its benchmark lending rate by 50 basis points in October, to 1.5 percent, up from 32 percent late on Friday.


© 2008 CNBC.com

Global Markets See Big Selloff; Asia Sharply Lower - Financials * US * News * Story - CNBC.com
Looks to me like the market is correcting itself. I think it's great!
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:14 AM
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And yet this didn't happen under Clinton...can you explain why that is so?
Because it takes time for these things to happen.

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Explain why the S&L Debacle happen under Reagan?
The debacle was in bailing those bastards out! They should have been allowed to fail.

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Expalin why Enron happened under Bush?
It actually started long before Bush took office.

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Explain why the implosion of the subprime market happened under Bush.
Because of legislation signed by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

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If you can blame Clinton for what Bush did, then shouldn't we blame the gun maker for what criminals do?
There are people on your side who actually do blame the manufacturer. Oh, and Bush tried to get reforms in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that might have prevented some of this but Barney Fag (as Senator Kennedy called him), whose boyfriend (and partner in a male prostitution ring they ran from their home) was working in a section of either Freddie or Fannie directly involed in the very kinds of loans that are a large part of this mess. Of course, Barney and his buddy Chris Dodd (who were both receiving significant campaign contributions from Freddie and Fannie) put a stop to any such reforms.
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"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

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