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Old 09-29-2008, 03:55 PM
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Is Biden going to take this debate for granted?

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On Friday, Barack Obama went to debate on John McCain's home turf -- foreign policy (with a healthy dose of economic crisis) -- and every independent poll and focus group scored him as the winner. Why?
Each candidate got his points across. Policies were sketched out, neither with great detail. No one scored a decisive sound-byte or became a befuddled mess. It was a draw on substance; style is another story.
McCain came off as antagonistic when sparring with Obama, making him look mean and angry. He seemed to refuse to look at his opponent much of the time, grew a smug smile and contorted his face when Obama said something he didn't like or agree with.
In contrast, Obama kept his chin up and fixed his stare on McCain when his opponent spoke. He didn't shift from foot-to-foot. His stance was steady -- almost like he was clenching, bracing himself. He was tough when returning McCain's lobs, but did it without the mockery McCain employed.
Obama seemed to listen to the things he didn't like to hear; McCain made faces and derided his opponent for not understanding. By the end, it was McCain who looked like the one who doesn't get it: Americans are tired of the taunter-in-chief model of George W. Bush. They want a president with some maturity -- not one who scoffs at those who disagree with him.
This is an important lesson for Joe Biden to take into his debate with Sarah Palin. This time Biden is in McCain's shoes -- times twenty. If some Americans are unsure of Obama, you better believe they doubt whether Palin is ready.
It's likely that Palin will come into the debate armed with one-liners and hope of scoring a killer blow. And -- as she has in her three solo television interviews -- chances are she will fail to effectively employ them. So, a debate with Palin filibustering her answers with stilted rhetoric and Biden talking about specifics and objectives is probably what most expect to see when they tune in on Thursday night.
If these expectations are met, how they carry themselves could be the deciding factor. Luckily for Biden, Palin will easily slip into sarcasm and condescension, as that's the nature of her most popular lines on the stump. Biden can look even more like the mature statesmen if he takes his cue from Obama on this one.
Maybe McCain feared that if he treated Obama as an equal, he would validate his standing? Maybe McCain is just angry by nature? Either way, his condescending debate performance only made himself look smaller. Biden should treat his disagreements with Palin with the collegiality he would give Senators Byrd or Kennedy. Listen closely. State your position forcefully. Win.
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Joe Biden is going to make quick work of Sarah Palin. There is a HUGE inelligence gap between the two, and Joe Biden's foreign policy preferences are much more easily defended than Palin's.

Biden's economic proclivities are moronic, but he's an excellent orator, and will destroy Palin.

I hope they have EMT's on hand to save the McCain campaign from certain death.
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If I was Biden I would just let Palin talk as much as she wants.

Hell I would turn every question into a "Please tell us what you think Governor Palin?"

Then sit back and look interested while inside laughing my *** off at her ineptitude.
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If I was Biden I would just let Palin talk as much as she wants.

Hell I would turn every question into a "Please tell us what you think Governor Palin?"

Then sit back and look interested while inside laughing my *** off at her ineptitude.
Have you ever heard Joe Biden speak? The man is a FANTASTIC orator, and one of the quickest-thinking people in Washington. Why would you want to deny yourself the opportunity to watch him DESTROY this glorified soccer mom?
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Because he doesn't even need to say anything. She can destroy herself with her folksly wolksly retardation. Plus, Biden has a history of shooting his mouth off and offending people with his brusque style. It's better to let her work herself over first and then finish with a killing blow.
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He also runs the risk of looking like a Bully.

Palin will sink herself and lower McCains chances ever more with little help from Biden.

If Biden can show intelligence and patience then Palin will show everyone that she is not close to ready to being one 72 year old multi cancer surviving old mans heart beat away from the Presidency.
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Obama is, in my opinion, a superior orator. But yes, I'll be very surprised should Palin even come close to holding her own in this debate.
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I have been waiting for this for a long time.

The expectation game has come to the point that she just needs to survive to get points from her fans.

This will be embarrassing to watch.
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The way I see it these debates are a total waste of time. They are just a lot of talk and no walk. Palin is going to bring preset answers regardless of the questions. Biden is going to try and wrestle with the issues. So it all depends on what the listener wants to hear. If they want yum yum feel good rhetoric they will say things like how Biden couldn't knock Palin off her game. If they want intelligent answers then they will say something like Palin is all hat and no cattle.

The candidates will probably score more points for make up and haircuts then they will for what they say.
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Looking forward to watching them go toe to toe. Hopefully it won't end up as a platform for speaking points.
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