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Old 09-19-2008, 03:51 PM
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Yeah, obviously no one is going to come out and say it directly. But regardless the implication is there. Just look at Ron Paul! He's totally for gun ownership (because we all know that in the event of a military-backed government takeover, a few guys with rifles would be able to easily defeat the whole army and air force) but the Rodney King rioters were "thugs and revolutionaries."

Talk about double standards...
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Old 09-19-2008, 03:58 PM
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Yeah, obviously no one is going to come out and say it directly. But regardless the implication is there. Just look at Ron Paul! He's totally for gun ownership (because we all know that in the event of a military-backed government takeover, a few guys with rifles would be able to easily defeat the whole army and air force) but the Rodney King rioters were "thugs and revolutionaries."

Talk about double standards...
Really have to reach to try and find any support for that don't ya?
On one hand we have Paul who supports gun ownership for a multitude of reasons and has not incited any violence. While on the other you have rioters who were looting, assaulting, burning, ect... Obviously it has to do with race... ya that makes sense.
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:01 PM
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Really have to reach to try and find any support for that don't ya?
On one hand we have Paul who supports gun ownership for a multitude of reasons and has not incited any violence. While on the other you have rioters who were looting, assaulting, burning, ect... Obviously it has to do with race... ya that makes sense.
Given other racist statements from Ron Paul, and given that you libertarians don't think violence against an oppressive government is necessarily a bad thing, then yes, I would say it did have to do with race.
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Given other racist statements from Ron Paul, and given that you libertarians don't think violence against an oppressive government is necessarily a bad thing, then yes, I would say it did have to do with race.
Given paul made no racist statements so that would be a lie showing your bias and even if he did that has nothing to do with the topic. While accepting that the overthrowing a bad government may not be bad, it is a lot different that those riots. You are trying to make things about race when they are not. The fact of the matter is that rioters are not just gun enthusiasts. And that supporting gun rights and the possibility that the government might need to be overthrown is ALOT different than those riots. They are not even comparable.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:12 PM
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Given paul made no racist statements so that would be a lie showing your bias and even if he did that has nothing to do with the topic. While accepting that the overthrowing a bad government may not be bad, it is a lot different that those riots. You are trying to make things about race when they are not. The fact of the matter is that rioters are not just gun enthusiasts. And that supporting gun rights and the possibility that the government might need to be overthrown is ALOT different than those riots. They are not even comparable.
So saying that "anyone who has been robbed by a black teen knows how fleet-footed they are" or that 95% of black males in the country are criminals is not racist? What? It's pretty ****ty of you to accuse me of lying when those statements were posted by him in his newsletter.

And just declaring that they are different things and that it isn't about race doesn't make it that way, buddy. I may be white but I know racism when I see it.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:16 PM
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You should try thinking about it instead of trying to attack McCain and company over something so ridiculous.
Who's blaming McCain? Wow, such the victim......

This is about the difference in being black or white in America.

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It is an issue, while not a major one......
Only to a white man.

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I thought the best one was the gun one, Viola. If a white person has a lot of guns, it's good for freedom. If a black person does, it's dangerous and revolutionary.
Exactly.

Some of us are empathetic and can try to imagine how it must be as a black person in America.

Others of us would rather pretend it's not there.

This article is to make you think about the different scenarios and imagine if the tables were turned. White people can do and say certain things and it's OK! If black people did and said the same exact things, there is a different reaction.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:21 PM
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Yeah, too often the privileged refuse to believe that terrible things are happening to other people because they can't imagine it happening to them.

Fortunately we're not like that, Viola.
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As lumara said it is about spin not race. The only difference if Obama had the daughter would be the Democrats claiming privacy and the repubs attacking. Nothing to do with race, I don't know why people just always try to make everything about race.

Lumara nailed this one.
How do you explain the campaign's glossing-over of McCain's infidelity to his first wife?

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Is anybody really going to argue that a black man with a personal history like McCain's, who had many affairs after returning from Vietnam, one of which was with Cindy whom he courted for 6 months before divorcing Carol (she was mangled in a car wreck), that he would have a prayer? Add to that the circumstantial evidence of a romantic affair w/ a lobbyist (while married to Cindy, during, eh-hem THIS CAMPAIGN), and I think every social conservative has to ask himself how much mileage mccain can get out of 5.5 years of torture in a vietnamese prison. And yet, no one seems to be asking it. Not Limbaugh, not my Mom.

You know, maybe race isn't the issue. Just look at John Edwards' corpse of a career.

Somewhere there's a double standard.
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I'm with Viola lee Racism and White privilege are a fact and many white people are totally blind to it. I have seen the double standards that are rampant in this society and ignoring them or just denying that they exist has nothing to do with reality.
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No, mwillman, and you claiming that there is anything like that in American means you actually hate white people.
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