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Old 09-03-2008, 07:50 PM
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They are individual choices that affect society as a whole and government has every right and duty to regulate them and this is traditionally what government has done in Western Judeo-Christian societies. This so-called conservative party wishes to defy tradition, thus it cannot be a conservative party.
Whose 'tradition' would that be? The theocrats? It certainly isn't the prevailing tradition of the founders. Now...it certainly is in a tradition of say....Oliver Cromwell. He was English....not an American, and certainly not a believer of natural rights.

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Certainly if an individual does not act responsibly and violates the equal right of another, then government should intercede. However, if no rights are violated, nor property trespassed upon, the government should stay out of private matters.

It IS NOT to purpose of government to engage in social engineering.
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Yes. Many, if not all U.S. states used to have laws against adultery and some may still have such laws on the books even if they are not enforced. Laws against adultery have been part and parcel of Western Judeo-Christian societies for over 3,000 years.
Umm, there haven't been any western Judeo-Christian societies for 3,000 years, as seeing as Christianity isn't even that old.
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You don't have to be steeped in tradition to be a conservative. "Conservative" has different meanings socially and politically. Example, socially, one might say, "those are conservative estimates" or "please dress conservatively," that doesn't mean that those are estimates of a political ideology, or that they don't want you to dress like a democrat.
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Why do you wish to see society destroyed by the immorality of individuals?
Dude, it's immoral in your judgment. Not necessarily in someone else's. If someone is sleeping around, their spouse should take care of it. If someone wants to commit adultery...actually, those two are the same thing. Nevermind.

If someone wants to get high on crack, well, it's that person's life and body being ****ed up.
If someone wants to "kill" the unborn...well, that's stupid, since you can't "kill" something that has never actually lived on its own.
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It isn't the purpose of government to dictate morality.

Social conservatism /= constitutional conservatism

There IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE CONSTITUTION provided to the government to legislate 'what' a person injests. There IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE CONSTITUTION provided to the government to legislate 'criminal punishment' for marital indescretions.

Claiming to be 'conservative' while ignoring the constitutional limits placed on government, I find.......well......hypocritical.
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Why do you wish to see society destroyed by the immorality of individuals?
Society is individuals. Unless that "immorality" is harming other individuals there is not a problem.
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They are individual choices that affect society as a whole and government has every right and duty to regulate them and this is traditionally what government has done in Western Judeo-Christian societies. This so-called conservative party wishes to defy tradition, thus it cannot be a conservative party.
No, they are following the classical liberal traditions of America's founding.
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Yes. Many, if not all U.S. states used to have laws against adultery and some may still have such laws on the books even if they are not enforced. Laws against adultery have been part and parcel of Western Judeo-Christian societies for over 3,000 years.

Sorry But you are dead wrong. I believe that A government that attempts to legislate Morality is immoral.

Morality is Subjective. And that is the hallmark of a free society.
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