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Old 08-04-2008, 02:29 PM
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That is the problem here. Are you calling Millionaires everyday people?

Would everyday people say "No" to drilling for our own oil to help get us off a foreign imports?

Would everyday people say "Yes" to allowing anyone born here to be a citizen regardless of where their parents are from?

Would everyday people say "No" to building a wall along the southern border to help stem the tide of illegal immigration?

Would everyday people say "Yes" to giving their congressman automatic pay raises each year?



Common sense hardly flows from Capitol Hill.
they do every day. how many people do you know 5?


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Would everyday people say "No" to giving the president the line item veto?
while your other points are in some way debatable this one is not. any American worth his breath should say no to that. It is an affront to checks and balances. it is the worst type of quick fix I have ever seen.

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There are hundreds of common sense things that are NOT being done by the millionaires sitting in congress right now. I wonder why that is? Maybe getting paid off by the lobbyist?
And this has absolutely nothing to do with there pension. your solution would only make them more dependent on lobbyist.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:02 PM
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Bluemax is making posts here so it is perfectly acceptable for him to have a link to his forum here. Others do the same.
Oh, course it is, dahling.
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how many people do you know 5?
Ouch.
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I am making post because I like talking about politics. I also happen to run a web site, does that mean I can't post?

Anyway, the 16th admendment was enacted so freed slaves could become citizens. No other reason was used.

Now, unless we have a bunch of freed slaves still running around, isn't it time that was amended AGAIN?

The Congree does get automatic pay raises. THEIR law put in place raises UNLESS they voted against it. So, if no one speaks up, they get a pay raise. That allows them to get a pay raise without having to vote one in.

Of course the line item veto is unconstitutional, which is why the constitution needs amended there too. Good lord, never assume everyone is as daft as those you oppose.

Argue the points, not the point maker.

Now back to the original post....

1. Dorm rooms for Congressmen and Senators.
- Instead of living high on the hog, Congressmen and Senators should live in a dorm room type building. Instead of hosting lavish parties for fundraisers, they can sit at their desks and ponder good public policies.

2. Minimum Wage for Congressmen and Senators.
- Since they will be living in public housing, it only makes sense to pay them no more than the minimum wage. And it will be based on how much time the house and senate are actually doing the people's work. No more getting elected and working 4 days a week for 2 hours a day.

3. Fundraising.
- Congressmen and Senators should only be allowed to fundraise in their own districts. They are there to do our business, not the business of a district across the country. If businesses want to contribute to a Congressmen or Senators campaign, fine. Just make sure you have an office in that district.

4. Term Limits.
- Won't need them if #1 and #2 are enacted. Who the hell wants to live in DC, in a dorm room and making minimum wage?


Don't most if not all of those make for much cleaner politics? Aren't most of them common sense?

And please, whatever the hell ya do, don't visit my site.

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That is the problem here. Are you calling Millionaires everyday people?
Many are, unless they are someday people.

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Would everyday people say "No" to drilling for our own oil to help get us off a foreign imports?
30% do, which comes to about 90 million everyday people say "no" to that.

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Would everyday people say "Yes" to allowing anyone born here to be a citizen regardless of where their parents are from?
Yes, many everyday people do say that as well.

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Would everyday people say "No" to building a wall along the southern border to help stem the tide of illegal immigration?

Would everyday people say "No" to giving the president the line item veto?

Would everyday people say "Yes" to giving their congressman automatic pay raises each year?

There are hundreds of common sense things that are NOT being done by the millionaires sitting in congress right now. I wonder why that is? Maybe getting paid off by the lobbyist?

Common sense hardly flows from Capitol Hill.
Actually, there are millions and millions of everyday american people that say these things. And there are millions and millions that say the other side.
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Anyway, the 16th admendment was enacted so freed slaves could become citizens. No other reason was used.
XIVth amendment is what he said and that is the 14th amendment Does anyone know roman numerals anymore.

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Don't most if not all of those make for much cleaner politics?
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Well common since is subjective. It also is not effective. Governing hundreds of millions of people requires higher brain function.

people and there damn common sense arguments. I know to many common people to rely upon it.
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Amendment XIV

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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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Of course the line item veto is unconstitutional, which is why the constitution needs amended there too. Good lord, never assume everyone is as daft as those you oppose.
It Violates The constitution for a good reason. Why do people want so bad to give the president more power?

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Would everyday people say "No" to drilling for our own oil to help get us off a foreign imports?


I would say no, since that oil would last maybe a year. And we don't need to be drilling more oil anyway.


Would everyday people say "Yes" to allowing anyone born here to be a citizen regardless of where their parents are from?


Are you saying we should deny people citizenship based on certain ancestries?


Would everyday people say "No" to building a wall along the southern border to help stem the tide of illegal immigration?

Yes, what's the aversion to illegal immigrants?

Would everyday people say "No" to giving the president the line item veto?

Yeah, because Bush has already taken far too much power as things are.

Would everyday people say "Yes" to giving their congressman automatic pay raises each year?

One of the Constitutional Amendments that we have prevents this. Forget just which one, though.
Sorry, bud, you seemed pretty cool until you started calling all this stupid conservative stuff common sense.
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I'm more moderate than anything to be up front about it.

I don't have an aversion to immigrants, but I guess I do have something against illegal immigrants. If we are just going to let everyone in that wants in, why do we have laws dictating how one gets into the country?

My family came from Germany and Ireland, but we came through the front door.

When did breaking a law become okay? I know we all break small laws every day, speeding and stop signs and stuff like that, but come on. Illegal means something doesn't it?

I find it sickening that american business says they are needed to work the jobs americans won't work. That is a cop out. No American will work for the sub standard wages being offered to the illegals. So american business needs the illegals to work for less huh?

Doesn't that anger anyone? Why should illegals, that are seemingly being welcomed into the country by any means, be subjected to unfair labor practices? That seems to me to be the biggest issue. Not that they are here illegally, but they are being mistreated and abused.

Had they come through the proper channels, they would have a voice and a way to not get treated like this. As long as american business wants to operate this way, we will have a problem.

Google Congressional Pay raises and you will learn all you need to learn about how our congress gets a pay raise each and every year. Without as much as a vote. Of course they voted to get one unless they voted not to get one. So they just don't vote to not get one.

Wish I could do that at my job.

I don't mind paying $4 a gallon for gas, or even $8 a gallon, did it while overseas. Still drove my car. But if we are to get off of oil, someone needs to show me the thing I can trade my 1996 Mustang in for that will not use oil to make it go.

Electric? We use coal or oil fired plants to make it. So that is not the answer.

We need to buy ourselves more time to make the next generation of energy products and means of production before we can turn off the oil spigot. Until we have show rooms full of cars that do not need fossil fuels to run, we gotta have fossil fuels.

Would it be better to get our own, or keep sending billions to dictators around the world?

There are a million problems we need to solve, but no problem has ever been solved by saying it can't be solved. Ask Orville Wright, or Neil Armstrong....
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