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Old 08-06-2008, 07:36 PM
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Meanwhile what he said was factually correct according to AAA. If your tires are properly inflated you can save 3 to 4% on your gas mileage. If everyone does this, it will save the same amount of oil that we'd get by adding more off shore drilling.
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Barack Obama's suggestion that we can't drill our way out of the current energy shortage, but we can solve the problem through tire inflation, has been the source of much hilarity. We did the math here, and found that it would take approximately 11,308 years of tire inflation to equal the energy we can obtain by developing our own petroleum resources.

Now, remarkably, Time magazine has rushed to the defense of its candidate, arguing that "Obama is right."

The author of the article, Michael Grunwald, mixes apple-and-orange statistics to try to create the false impression that there is more to be gained by inflating tires than through offshore drilling:

The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.
Grunwald is trying, through sleight of hand, to conceal certain basic facts: Obama said that tire inflation could save energy equal to "all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling," not just the outer continental shelf; the outer continental shelf, ANWR and Rocky Mountain oil shale contain an estimated one trillion, 28 billion barrels of oil--an estimate that is undoubtedly low--while the maximum savings that could be attained through tire inflation and tuneups, assuming that every single vehicle in America is driving around with semi-flat tires and has never had a tuneup, is a mere 420 million barrels per year.

But there are more devious errors lurking behind Time's claim that "Obama is right." Notice the curious formula that Grunwald uses to quantify the energy potential of the outer continental shelf:

The Bush administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. [barrels] per day by 2030.
That equates to 73,000,000 barrels per year. Which may sound like a lot, but amounts to only four-tenths of one percent of the OCS's 18 billion barrels. Further, why is Time not only putting out an absurdly low number, but also talking about the year 2030? The implication seems to be that the oil wouldn't flow until then, or maybe wouldn't peak until then, but such a claim would be patently false.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:44 PM
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Default Insane Johnny McCain Agrees With The Good Advice...Who Woulda Thunk It??

Y'know, L-H, this has turned into a bloody meaningless thread now that insane McCain has SAID THE SAME THING. Oh, yeah...and so has NASCAR.

You rightwingers mean to tell me that you think this clown is REALLY going to be president?!? Have I got a bridge for you!
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Y'know, L-H, this has turned into a bloody meaningless thread now that insane McCain has SAID THE SAME THING. ...
Not so much. From your link:
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Discussing the air-pressure issue during an appearance Tuesday night, McCain said he wasn't opposed to Obama's suggestion. "And could I mention that Senator Obama a couple of days ago said that we ought to all inflate our tires, and I don't disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it, but I also don't think that that's a way to become energy independent."
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:45 AM
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Unlike y'all, I wouldn't say that someone lied if he made a mistake that he was not aware of. The condescension is from the assertion that most are all are too stupid to maintain our vehicles.

You will need to verify your claim that additional offshore drilling will only produce 3-4% additional petroleum. On the surface it seems like it would be much more than that. Keep in mind that a 3-4% savings is only applicable to some small percentage of Americans too lazy or stupid to inflate their tires, and that the actual predicted oil production is far greater than what has been popularly reported.
Leftists all love to call those who they disagree.. Liars.. it gives them comfort even if they demonstrate that they have no clue what the word actually means.
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Our troops are still getting maimed and killed and some people here want to fixate on minutia like an inflated tires statement issue.

This campaign has been like a Chinese torture test, drip -drip - drip on the forehead until you go insane with the monotony.

The monotony here is the incessant comic book level smears. We hear that he didn't put his hand to his heart for a pledge of allegiance, then we find out the truth that it was the national anthem. Then the issue was a flag lapel pin. Then a photo catching Obama scratching his cheek with his middle finger with Hillary in the background, so it is automatically Obama flipping off Hillary.

It is all a diversionary tactic because if McCain stuck to the issues only, it would only make it absolutely clear that electing him would be the equivalent of four more years of George W Bush.
Fixate? the Democrat candidate for President suggested that inflating tires would solve the Oil crisis.. AND he also said that the surge would NOT work.

He has a good track record for being correct.. He was probably also on the band wagon that said that the Clinton recession in 2000 could never be resolved with tax cuts and the the Enron executives would never go to jail.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:54 AM
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sounds like sound advice to me... and the Auto Club, the CHP, the Rubber Manufacturers Association, Michelin and Yokohama Tire Company all say the same thing...
poor john mcLame... poor thing... can't even BUY a headline except when he forgets something or says something stupid... poor John McLame...
Maybe if they drilled on the land they already had leases on instead of wanting MORE land they won't drill on, people would support them... but...

they haven't yet...

why not?
you know... george DUHHHHBYA bush's grand daddy supported hitler, you know that don't you? not the made up kind of nazi crap you righties try to hang on Obama... but the real deal...




actually, he is merely saying the same thing as the Auto Club and many tire manufacturers.

Are they the messiah as well?


Joe Kennedy, Teddy's dad, also supported Hitler. so did FDR. but all Leftists love their tyrannists.. Think about the wonderful things that Chavez is doing in Venezuela.. how many people has he killed?

Woodrow Wilson was a Fascist..


Obama could have left it to the Auto club and the tire manufacturers. but obviously it is important that the President of the US promote tire inflation.. as his solution to the oil crisis.

and this is the best and brightest bulb in the Democrat party.. LOL..
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Obama could have left it to the Auto club and the tire manufacturers. but obviously it is important that the President of the US promote tire inflation.. as his solution to the oil crisis.

and this is the best and brightest bulb in the Democrat party.. LOL..
It is not his solution to the oil crisis. It is a small part of the big picture. You're misleading, obfuscating and twisting the truth. When will you live up to your name?
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Old 08-07-2008, 11:51 AM
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Oops! McCain flip flopped again. Now he thinks it's a good idea to inflate your tires.


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“Obama said a couple of days ago says we all should inflate our tires. I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it,” McCain said.
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Oops! McCain flip flopped again. Now he thinks it's a good idea to inflate your tires.
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Again, you are attempting to create a Straw Man of the issue (and very poorly, I may add, by only quoting a portion of a sentence). No one has suggested that we should not maintain our vehicles. The real issue is that Obama insists that keeping vehicles maintained will save as much oil as can be obtained by increased drilling in the US.

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There are things you can do individually, though, to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated — simple thing. But we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling — if everybody was just inflating their tires? And getting regular tune-ups? You’d actually save just as much!
McCain makes no such claim. Here's what he said (including the complete sentence):
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And could I mention that Senator Obama a couple of days ago said that we ought to all inflate our tires, and I don't disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it, but I also don't think that that's a way to become energy independent.

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Old 08-08-2008, 01:55 AM
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Obama never claimed it was the way to become energy independent. If you'd read what you quoted, you'd see that he claims we can save as much gas as we'd get with new drilling.

The whole new lands and ocean floors for drilling is a big scam anyway. The big oil companies own the leases to 168 million acres of land they aren't drilling in right now. The small time oil drillers want to drill in some of those lands but they are shut out by big oil. The same big oil that is donating millions of dollars to McCain's campaign. And McCain is in their back pocket.

They don't need new places to drill. They are just hording the ones they have to keep them selfishly to themselves so no one else can drill there.

You're fooling yourself if you think Republicans are for the small business guy. They aren't. They are for big business and the rich. They want tax cuts for the richest Americans and they want subsidies - corporate welfare - for the biggest businesses, big oil.
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