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Old 08-01-2008, 11:08 AM
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They don't have windfall taxes. That legislation did not pass. They do have taxes that are designated for the repair and upgrade of our highways.

And who is defending the Government here? My theory is the more money they have the more money they spend. As far as I am concerned, if they are making more than the oil corporations per gallon they need to cut back.

Have you seen anyone step forward from either party to propose a permanent cut back on gas taxes?

Then every last single time they pass a Transportation / Highway Bill, billions of pork gets added.
... like there is no such thing as windfall profits.. LOL.. Funny how the do as I say - not as I do leftists work.

Good theory.. the more money that Government has .. the more that they spend on things like.. Social Security - bankrupt, Medicare - bankrupt, education - total failure to all inner city schools (what we were told was the reason for the govenrment monopoly on education), welfare - failure.

and what did Exxon spent their profits on? Dividends for Many American taxpayer.. who will pay taxes on it yet again... Oil exploration, alternative energy sources and Lawsuits brought by Watermelons.

You know that I rail against all big government tyrannists... Republicans and the very leftist Democrat party as well...
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:09 AM
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What did the Government make on Windfall taxes on Gasoline over the same period?

I would suspect that the Federal Government pulled in Much more than Exxon Mobil did ... Considering that the government makes $ 0.46 per gallon and Exxon profits were only $0.36 based on a $ 4.00 per gallon price.

Looks like the Government really made out on this one.. Exxon's profits were puny compared to the windfall profits made by the Government.
I trust you have credible evidence to back up these claims - that you'd be delighted to share with us?

Oh, and preferably from a source independent of the oil companies.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:12 AM
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and what did Exxon spent their profits on? Dividends for Many American taxpayer.. who will pay taxes on it yet again... Oil exploration, alternative energy sources and Lawsuits brought by Watermelons.
Since when did watermelons become sentient beings capable of filing lawsuits? Someone call PETA!!!!! *snicker*
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:35 AM
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The "Watermelons" he is referring to are people from Valdeze, Alaska. The tanker spill there was the largest in history. ExxonMobile paid for the initial clean up and then dumped the rest on taxpayers. Then they tied up lawsuits in court for decades. The court finally decided in favor or the people of Valdeze but limited ExxonMobile's fiscal liability. 20 percent of the Valdeze people who had sued originally were no longer alive to here this verdict. Valdeze is now almost a ghost town with no seafood industry as they had before.

They were basically refusing to deal with Valdeze while making record breaking profits. Those were Lee Raymonds years as CEO and when he retired he walked away with a $250 million retirement package. I believe he is listed in the Forbes 400 list as a billionaire.

Exxon and Mobile were two corporations that were the result of breaking up the old Standard Oil monopoly under anti trust laws. And now they have reunited. ExxonMobile currently monopolizes most of the market, with Chevron monopolizes most of the rest of the market, with Conoco Phillips, Shell and BP taking small shares of the rest of the market.
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So TFAC believes the people of Valdez were unreasonable to expect Exxon to actually clean up ALL the mess one of their employees created (apparently while drunk, IIRC) and compensate them for their losses? Sheesh.
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Yeah, just a bunch of "watermelons" by some warped perspective.

Yes, it was the biggest DUI in history.

"No occifer, that's (hiccup) that's not my oil."
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While they don't build new refineries, oil companies do invest money in upgrading and expanding existing ones.



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While there may be some truth to that, having old, inefficient refineries also cuts into their profit margin. At some point, newer and more efficient refineries is actually more cost effective for the company, thereby increasing profits.
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While they don't build new refineries, oil companies do invest money in upgrading and expanding existing ones.
But there's only so much they can do to an old refinery.
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USED to be.. once the money leaves your hand it is not yours. You can complain all you want.. but you certainly choose to buy it.
How again did man create natural gasoline? And what contract did I sign that said I gave away my right to use the oil? Oh yeah, it was between the head honchos and the state.

The fact is, the "mutual" encounter between consumer and producer isn't mutual because one claims exclusive use over resources - which is absurd.
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How again did man create natural gasoline? And what contract did I sign that said I gave away my right to use the oil? Oh yeah, it was between the head honchos and the state.
Man does not have to create. All man has to do is labor. As Locke argued one has to Labor. Companies Labor to bring oil out of the ground. Thus they have claim to that property.

Now, you did not sign a contract, but you surely gave your right away when you choose to buy from another. You can personally drill for your own oil if you so choose. But you do not.

Now, those supposed "property rights" the Government claims, I do not support as there was no bidding that took place when the Government stole the land for less then the property value. But out of these property rights the Government claims the Oil Companies have to pay a fee to the Federal Government. This same idea works in the Midwest and West when it comes to Grazing. Farmers have to pay the Government so their Cattle can graze. This raises Capital (Income) for the Government. But it also raises prices. As it is cheaper to buy the land then pay a fee over 50 years.

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The fact is, the "mutual" encounter between consumer and producer isn't mutual because one claims exclusive use over resources - which is absurd.
No, its mutual. You choose not to drill your own oil. You choose to buy it. Thus you make a choice to buy from whoever. The Oil companies are providing a service which you and Millions of others choose not to do.
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