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Old 08-02-2008, 05:51 PM
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Frankly, his skin color has nothing to do with his incompetence and lack of experience..

I voted for Michael Steele and Alan Keyes and would gladly vote for them again.

Obama does not even stand in their shoes.. he is not qualified to be dog catcher. Democrats are making a terrible mistake.
You're wrong. Obama has good plans and ideas and he'll be a great President. He'll balance the budget by ending the war in Iraq and taking back the tax cuts for the millionaires. He'll invest in clean renewable sustainable energies and get us off foriegn oil. He'll send our best people after Bin Laden and finally bring him to justice.

Why do you Republicans disagree with these things?
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You're wrong. Obama has good plans and ideas and he'll be a great President. He'll balance the budget by ending the war in Iraq and taking back the tax cuts for the millionaires. He'll invest in clean renewable sustainable energies and get us off foriegn oil. He'll send our best people after Bin Laden and finally bring him to justice.

Why do you Republicans disagree with these things?
he will never balance any budget.. his taxes will destroy the economy and produce less revenue to the govenrmet and he will not cut spending.

There are no clean sustainable energy sources that can take the place of oil.. and to pay for his massive increase in governemnt he must produce a booming economy .....

How free has bin laden been over the past 6 years?
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Old 08-02-2008, 06:01 PM
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he will never balance any budget.. his taxes will destroy the economy and produce less revenue to the govenrmet and he will not cut spending.
Like Clinton did?

...Oh wait Clinton balanced the budget.
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There are no clean sustainable energy sources that can take the place of oil.. and to pay for his massive increase in governemnt he must produce a booming economy .....
yes there are. Wind Solar, this stuff is being implemented all over the world. only American neocons actually believe that they can never work. probably because they are owned and operated by big oil.


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Well pretty damn free. unless you think it is ok for criminals to hide in a cave instead of facing justice.
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Like Clinton did?

...Oh wait Clinton balanced the budget.

yes there are. Wind Solar, this stuff is being implemented all over the world. only American neocons actually believe that they can never work. probably because they are owned and operated by big oil.


Well pretty damn free. unless you think it is ok for criminals to hide in a cave instead of facing justice.

Neocons? Really is that some kind of slur against me? I am not a neocon..
I am a conservative..

Clinton ? dragging and kicking .. and then we found out that Social Security was going bankrupt .. so he excluded that from the calculation.. result.. no balanced budget.. Maybe he balanced Monica on the desk in the oval office.. yes, that must be what you are thinking about.. The last Democrat president.. What a joke.

Solar ? Really, is that why the price of a barrel of oil is what it is.. Geesh..

Some solution... NOT!!!
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"I have said in the past — and I'll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.
So if Obama is so concerned about good schools in the inner cities why is he opposed to school choice?
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You're wrong. Obama has good plans and ideas and he'll be a great President. He'll balance the budget by ending the war in Iraq and taking back the tax cuts for the millionaires.
It is mathematically impossible for Obama to balance the budget the way you claim he will with all of the additional spending he has proposed.

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Which is years away. Meantime gas will be hitting $10 a gallon so that Nancy Pelosi can go "save the planet."

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Yeah, whatever....

What bull****.
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Like Clinton did?

...Oh wait Clinton balanced the budget.
What Bill Clinton did is absolutely irrelevant to Barack Obama. They have entirely different economic policies. The fact they are members of the same political party means nothing.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:10 AM
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Neocons? Really is that some kind of slur against me? I am not a neocon..
I am a conservative..

Clinton ? dragging and kicking .. and then we found out that Social Security was going bankrupt .. so he excluded that from the calculation.. result.. no balanced budget.. Maybe he balanced Monica on the desk in the oval office.. yes, that must be what you are thinking about.. The last Democrat president.. What a joke.

Solar ? Really, is that why the price of a barrel of oil is what it is.. Geesh..

Some solution... NOT!!!

I would say that you are a quirky traditional conservative, not a neo con. But unlike other traditional conservatives that simply blame Bush for not meeting the benchmarks of traditional conservatism (small government, disciplined spending, protecting the constitution, securing the borders, etc...) instead of trying to label him a Liberal.

It seems that you flip flop back and forth to saying both parties are wrong to Republicans are right and Democrats are wrong. Which is it? The funny thing about these discussions is you always bring up Clinton, as if anyone here is interested in defending him. I am disgusted with his BJ in the White House, but that is small compared to Bush lying us into an Iraq quagmire, the death toll, the hundreds of thousands that are maimed for life, the millions of refugees, etc... But I guess Bush needs to get a BJ for you to even start considering him as a bad president.

It must be some type of statement that no one has volunteered.

And I bet your awareness of the current state of renewal energy breakthroughs is extremely limited. Here is the picture with oil. It must be drilled from the ground, then it is transported in trucks, pipelines and tanker ships, then it must be refined and made into gasoline, then the gasoline must be stored, shipped, etc... Here is the picture with coal. It must be mined. Then it is crushed, washed stored in huge depots where it is measured out ino trucks and train cars and shipped to power plants. Each step in the process of oil and coal involves environmental costs and burning fossil fuel to produce energy from fossil fuel. Both are directly related to pollution issues and greenhouse emissions.

Then you think about the new nanotech solar energy, wind turbines, geothermal energy, hydrogen from water, the new wave energy technology that simply is there for decades without any of the multi step process of coal or oil. Boone Pickens has the right concept and is moving from being an oil millionaire to an alternative energy millionaire.
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How free has bin laden been over the past 6 years?

That needs to be addressed if not aimed at BUSH. Invading Afghanistan was justified as we were going after Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda leadership. We let them escape across the border (something that was extremely predictable). Then Bush and Cheney hijacked the original legitimate mission and invaded Iraq, something the neo cons actively advocated since 1998.

Osama and Al Qaeda are in Pakistan while Bush Republicans have been fixated on Iraq.
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I would say that you are a quirky traditional conservative, not a neo con. But unlike other traditional conservatives that simply blame Bush for not meeting the benchmarks of traditional conservatism (small government, disciplined spending, protecting the constitution, securing the borders, etc...) instead of trying to label him a Liberal.

It seems that you flip flop back and forth to saying both parties are wrong to Republicans are right and Democrats are wrong. Which is it? The funny thing about these discussions is you always bring up Clinton, as if anyone here is interested in defending him. I am disgusted with his BJ in the White House, but that is small compared to Bush lying us into an Iraq quagmire, the death toll, the hundreds of thousands that are maimed for life, the millions of refugees, etc... But I guess Bush needs to get a BJ for you to even start considering him as a bad president.

It must be some type of statement that no one has volunteered.

And I bet your awareness of the current state of renewal energy breakthroughs is extremely limited. Here is the picture with oil. It must be drilled from the ground, then it is transported in trucks, pipelines and tanker ships, then it must be refined and made into gasoline, then the gasoline must be stored, shipped, etc... Here is the picture with coal. It must be mined. Then it is crushed, washed stored in huge depots where it is measured out ino trucks and train cars and shipped to power plants. Each step in the process of oil and coal involves environmental costs and burning fossil fuel to produce energy from fossil fuel. Both are directly related to pollution issues and greenhouse emissions.

Then you think about the new nanotech solar energy, wind turbines, geothermal energy, hydrogen from water, the new wave energy technology that simply is there for decades without any of the multi step process of coal or oil. Boone Pickens has the right concept and is moving from being an oil millionaire to an alternative energy millionaire.
Quirky? Name calling is your real forte..

My theme is government .. You obviously feel that government IS the solution to all problems... I don't. I feel that the most compassionate thing that govenrment can do is get out of the way and promote freedom for the individual..

You obviously feel that freedom of the individual is secondary to the interests of government and probably feels that govenrment is the giver of all things including life, liberty and happiness.

Boone Pickens also wants drilling to occur and feels that we make effort to do ALL things to increase our access to energy.. not just put an embargo on oil .. which is apparently the Democrat party slogan.. embargo oil.


Name one renewable energy form that will replace oil in this economy.. none of the ones that you mention do.

and as for your fondness of government.. the US energy department has had many of these energy programs under development for many years.. through the 90s.. Why have none of those worked.. Afterall according to you.. Government is doing it and it is energy...

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Government has failed to do anything about it... how could that be.. Afterall government fails at everything it does.
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