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Old 07-28-2008, 02:50 PM
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Most people who are not getting by are not doing so because of the choices they have made in life. They have nobody else to blame.
That attitude just leaves me speechless.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:56 PM
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:56 PM
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Most people who are not getting by are not doing so because of the choices they have made in life. They have nobody else to blame.
Hmmm....lets see.

Bullsh*t.

Since 2001

Mortgage has increased by 34% due to property tax increases.
Electricity bill has increased by 112% due to 'fuel adjustments'
Gasoline bill has increased by 200% due to war mainly.
Natural Gas bill has increased by 425% due to 'fuel adjustments.'
Food bill has increased 125% (probably due to gas).

How are these attributable to the "choices" that I 'have made in life?'
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:30 PM
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And under Reagan inflation dropped from the double digits of the 1970s to single digits and continued to drop afterward until the environmentalist nutjobs pushed the federal government into wasting corn on biofuels.
When you're homeless and out of work, after your money is dried up it doesn't much matter if inflation is 5% or 500%. Reagan was a terrible president who campaigned on good rhetoric. Goldwater saw him for the clown he was.

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Yep, those were the days. [/sarcasm]
All conservatives I've come across tell me America was at its greatest from WW2 to the wacky 60s. Just using their time slot.

Obviously taxing investments at 40% to catch up with the wealth inequality would be disasterous. But the fact corporations exist because of state recognition in the first place is reason enough to end the incorporation process. And in my opinion, with a straight up or down vote by the stakeholders, determine if corporations should belong to the workers.

Corporations require protection from the state through legal personhood, wars, and subsidies. Investing from external sources is fueled by the knowledge that your existing money won't shrink up if the fecal matter hits a fan. Companies like Wal-Mart and McDonald's get over two billion dollars each year in tax money - as well as tax loopholes. The life cycle of companies should be dramatically shorter (unless a company really is adept at what it's doing) and there shouldn't be near as much inequality going on.
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That attitude just leaves me speechless.
Burying your head in the sand doesn't change the truth.
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Old 07-28-2008, 03:51 PM
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Burying your head in the sand doesn't change the truth.
Truth =/= Opinion.

Most private debt stems from necessities, not bad consumer choices. Your ignorance towards the impoverished, undermployed, and struggling does not correlate to fact anymore than Dubya's claims about WMDs do.

Gasoline costs have gone up 22% since last year alone (and we don't invest in public transportation here, because - well - public money is theft apparently). Food has gone up 6% since last year. Our health care expenses are larger than any country in Europe. Average wages have decreased over the past 30 years. Tuition, up. Rent, up. Restraint on small business owners, up. Working two part-time jobs is now becoming necessary for some post-graduates.

If average wages had kept up with growth, someone working for minimum wage should be getting ~$20/hour.
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Hmmm....lets see.

Bullsh*t.

Since 2001

Mortgage has increased by 34% due to property tax increases.
Electricity bill has increased by 112% due to 'fuel adjustments'
Gasoline bill has increased by 200% due to war mainly.
Natural Gas bill has increased by 425% due to 'fuel adjustments.'
Food bill has increased 125% (probably due to gas).

How are these attributable to the "choices" that I 'have made in life?'
Find a better paying job. Pick up a second job. Further your education. Cut back on your electricity use. Cut back on your automobile use or move closer to work. Move where the property taxes are less. There are plenty of thing you can do to adapt to the current situation. Being complacent and blaming others, which seems to be the direction you're taking in this discussion, is one of those choices as well.

People that have made responsible decisions throughout their lives will almost always weather the bad times. The number one reason why people are on welfare is because they had children out of wedlock and couldn't afford. That was their choice. Now they're broke living on assistance. People who are stuck in $8 an hour jobs are there because they blew off high school and didn't further their education through their own choice. People who never develop further skills to make themselves more marketable during a down spike in the economy lose their job because of that choice. Sure, there will be a few exceptions where someone truly is victimized, but in most cases you can trace someone's situation back to the choices they've made in life.
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Find a better paying job.
It has nothing to do with income and everything to do with inflation which is created by government.

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Pick up a second job.
Why should I have too? I am a business owner. Why should I have to work over 40 hours a week to 'maintain' my standard of living? Why should I have to pay more and more and more....and never get more in return? I would venture to guess that I make a sh*t load more money than you as well.

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Further your education.
I am probably more educated than you....give it a rest.

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Cut back on your electricity use.
Bullsh*t. I guess I could unplug my refrigerator and kill the AC. That would really be healthy for my kids.

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Cut back on your automobile use or move closer to work.
When you own a home...you can't simply up and move. Try using your head. My mileage last year was less than 3000 miles.

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Move where the property taxes are less.
I suppose I could sell my home right now and take a 30% hit on what I paid for it. That would be a real good financial decision don't you think? In order to move to a more 'conservative' part of my state would require that I travel more. How about that government live within it's means for a change instead of punishing productive members of society?

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There are plenty of thing you can do to adapt to the current situation. Being complacent and blaming others, which seems to be the direction you're taking in this discussion, is one of those choices as well.
EVERTHING that is happening from the housing market to sky-rocketing fuel prices is due to the government. This is fact...not fiction. Costs of necessities increasing has NOTHING to do with choice. Telling someone who is by nature fiscally conservative and frugal to 'adapt' is pure sh*t.

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People that have made responsible decisions throughout their lives will almost always weather the bad times.
Sophistry....spill that screed to the young republicans. Government needs to get a handle on their own actions.

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The number one reason why people are on welfare is because they had children out of wedlock and couldn't afford. That was their choice.
I wouldn't know. I was never on welfare. I have been in the job force since before you could ride a bike.

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People who are stuck in $8 an hour jobs are there because they blew off high school and didn't further their education through their own choice.
I make far far more than $8. People seeing their savings dry up due to increases in necessities has nothing to do with minimum wage or job skills. I am NOT in the lowest tax bracket.

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People who never develop further skills to make themselves more marketable during a down spike in the economy lose their job because of that choice.
I am self employed. I have never stopped advancing my education, even to this day.

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Sure, there will be a few exceptions where someone truly is victimized, but in most cases you can trace someone's situation back to the choices they've made in life.
Sure....it was a bad decision NOT to get a government job to begin with. That seems to be the only way to get 'job security' and an increase in pay that isn't lambasted by political pundits as the 'cause of inflation.'

Edited to add....I doubt you'll be singing the same song in 10-15 years when you are 'less marketable' due to age.
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Old 07-28-2008, 04:40 PM
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(On an unrelated note, I'm perplexed by your use of the character V in your signature, when V's ideals are inspired by the anarcho-communist community)
Because everything that happens be it the War in Iraq, Discrimination, increase debt and so on.. are not just the fault of Politicians but everyone as we are the Government.

So as V says.. "If you are looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror"
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So does anyone recall at what point of income inequality, revolution is most likely to begin? It seems to me there is a certain tipping point - are we near?


*** It isn't bad enough that liberals do everything in their power to align themselves with our enemies and with their economies, but now they want to create riots or revolutions by staging class warfare. Just what we need Jojo, something that might upset America's #1 economy rating in the world. I don't know you Jojo, but my guess is that you're employed as a social worker on special assignment to see that illegal aliens get all the benefits we real Americans get...and more. Am I close?
If they want a fight.. let them bring it on.. maybe some culling of the liberal class is in order.
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