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Old 07-24-2008, 01:59 AM
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Every major media outlet can go screw it self in my opinion. None of them have any semblance of journalistic integrity any more. None of them report hard hitting story's any more or care about getting unbiased information out to the masses.

They should not be editing anyone at all during an interview, but to claim that this is favoritism to McCain is narrowing your focus way to much. Most media shops believe that Obama can do no wrong.

In my opinion both candidates lie enough to get votes and the mass media sucks a big one.
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:47 AM
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In my opinion both candidates lie enough to get votes and the mass media sucks a big one.
Hear hear! I agree.
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Anbar Sheik Cited By McCain Was Assassinated Last Year

The major Sunni sheik who John McCain said was protected by the surge and subsequently helped lead the Anbar Awakening, was actually assassinated by an al-Qaeda led group in midst of the surge.
This McCain't is such a moron...he's starting to make Bush look good...
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:28 AM
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Anbar Sheik Cited By McCain Was Assassinated Last Year

The major Sunni sheik who John McCain said was protected by the surge and subsequently helped lead the Anbar Awakening, was actually assassinated by an al-Qaeda led group in midst of the surge.
This McCain't is such a moron...he's starting to make Bush look good...
Look I don't agree with the Iraq War.. but Liberals do not understand Military Planning at all or facts.


He wasn't killed during mid surge. The Surge actually started in Feb 2007 (when the 82nd Airborne deployed in 36 hours) and forces were being drawn down in Early September.. you do that math. Just because there is a 168,000 does not mean they are all Combat Brigades. Which was called for in the Surge Plan.

Who ever killed Sheikh Satta only needed to get lucky once. Those protecting him, the US military and the Awakening forces had to be lucky all the time. ( Think IRA and the Brighton Bombing almost killing Maggie Thatcher)..

What's happening here is people on the left trying to blast a time-line, without ever considering the Military was supplying the Sunni Awakening after they came to us.. and this was part of the Counter Insurgency plan of Gen. Petraeus. Also Sheikh Abdul Sattar was not killed by Al-Qaeda according to Sheikh Ali Hatem Ali Sulaiman the current leader of the Awakening. But by Shia forces as the Awakening was a threat to Shia's power in Baghdad as we were playing buddy buddy with them. This can be proven by the Iraqi Government moving in Shia dominated forces into Anbar after Sheikh Sattar's death. Pissing off the Sunni Awakening Council.

Which could have easily been forced by Al-Sadr and his Iranian buddies.
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Look I don't agree with the Iraq War.. but Liberals do not understand Military Planning at all or facts.


He wasn't killed during mid surge. The Surge actually started in Feb 2007 (when the 82nd Airborne deployed in 36 hours) and forces were being drawn down in Early September.. you do that math. Just because there is a 168,000 does not mean they are all Combat Brigades. Which was called for in the Surge Plan.

Who ever killed Sheikh Satta only needed to get lucky once. Those protecting him, the US military and the Awakening forces had to be lucky all the time. ( Think IRA and the Brighton Bombing almost killing Maggie Thatcher)..

What's happening here is people on the left trying to blast a time-line, without ever considering the Military was supplying the Sunni Awakening after they came to us.. and this was part of the Counter Insurgency plan of Gen. Petraeus. Also Sheikh Abdul Sattar was not killed by Al-Qaeda according to Sheikh Ali Hatem Ali Sulaiman the current leader of the Awakening. But by Shia forces as the Awakening was a threat to Shia's power in Baghdad as we were playing buddy buddy with them. This can be proven by the Iraqi Government moving in Shia dominated forces into Anbar after Sheikh Sattar's death. Pissing off the Sunni Awakening Council.

Which could have easily been forced by Al-Sadr and his Iranian buddies.
rationalization, and amounting to a hill of beans
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rationalization, and amounting to a hill of beans
Coming for a person who stated they have a bias no matter what.. I take that as a compliment.
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Anbar Sheik Cited By McCain Was Assassinated Last Year

The major Sunni sheik who John McCain said was protected by the surge and subsequently helped lead the Anbar Awakening, was actually assassinated by an al-Qaeda led group in midst of the surge.
This McCain't is such a moron...he's starting to make Bush look good...
I remember that. They had to publish his name and take photos of him shaking hands with a general, which I knew at the time would get him assassinated. He was killed when a planted bomb under the car we has riding in blew up. His tribe wanted payback and they basically wiped out Al Qaeda in the Anbar Province.
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Look I don't agree with the Iraq War.. but Liberals do not understand Military Planning at all or facts.
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He wasn't killed during mid surge. The Surge actually started in Feb 2007 (when the 82nd Airborne deployed in 36 hours) and forces were being drawn down in Early September.. you do that math. Just because there is a 168,000 does not mean they are all Combat Brigades. Which was called for in the Surge Plan.
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Who ever killed Sheikh Satta only needed to get lucky once. Those protecting him, the US military and the Awakening forces had to be lucky all the time. ( Think IRA and the Brighton Bombing almost killing Maggie Thatcher)..
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What's happening here is people on the left trying to blast a time-line, without ever considering the Military was supplying the Sunni Awakening after they came to us.. and this was part of the Counter Insurgency plan of Gen. Petraeus. Also Sheikh Abdul Sattar was not killed by Al-Qaeda according to Sheikh Ali Hatem Ali Sulaiman the current leader of the Awakening. But by Shia forces as the Awakening was a threat to Shia's power in Baghdad as we were playing buddy buddy with them. This can be proven by the Iraqi Government moving in Shia dominated forces into Anbar after Sheikh Sattar's death. Pissing off the Sunni Awakening Council.
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CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - McCain makes Iraq gaffe - Blogs from CNN.com

(CNN) — Barack Obama's campaign is seizing on a incorrect assertion by rival John McCain that the surge of troops in Iraq was responsible for spurring the so-called "Anbar Awakening" — in which Sunni leaders stepped up their efforts to battle Al Qaeda operatives.

The McCain campaign responded that Democrats are attempting to diminish the role U.S. troops have played in stabilizing the country over the last 18 months.

McCain's initial comments came in an interview with CBS Tuesday night, during with the Arizona senator was asked about Obama's argument that a Sunni revolt against Al-Qaeda and the addition of U.S. troops both played a vital role in diminishing violence in the country.
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DefenseLink News Transcript: DoD News Briefing with Col. Sean B. MacFarland from Iraq

With respect to the violence between the Sunnis and the al Qaeda -- actually, I would disagree with the assessment that the al Qaeda have the upper hand. That was true earlier this year when some of the sheikhs began to step forward and some of the insurgent groups began to fight against al Qaeda. The insurgent groups, the nationalist groups, were pretty well beaten by al Qaeda.

This is a different phenomena that's going on right now. I think that it's not so much the insurgent groups that are fighting al Qaeda, it's the -- well, it used to be the fence-sitters, the tribal leaders, are stepping forward and cooperating with the Iraqi security forces against al Qaeda, and it's had a very different result. I think al Qaeda has been pushed up against the ropes by this, and now they're finding themselves trapped between the coalition and ISF on the one side, and the people on the other.
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Slain Iraqi sheikh was staunch US ally-colonel | Reuters

The movement, known as the Anbar Awakening, was born after a tribal leader from the Sunni Muslim-dominated western desert province was killed by al Qaeda militants in August last year. The province's Sunni leaders were fed up with indiscriminate killings by al Qaeda and their harsh interpretation of Islam.

Abu Risha -- known as Sheikh Sattar to U.S. commanders -- was not regarded as a very prominent local leader at that time, MacFarland said. But his father and two brothers had also been killed by al Qaeda and he seized the moment to unite other sheikhs against the militants.

"He had a really burning hatred for al Qaeda and he saw his chance to get revenge and he took it," MacFarland said.
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Obituary: Abdul Sattar Abu Risha

Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abu Risha was a key Sunni Arab ally of the US and Iraqi governments in Iraq's western Anbar province.

The 37-year-old leader of the Al Bu Risha tribe was killed in a bomb attack near his home in the provincial capital, Ramadi, on Thursday.

He was reportedly a top target for assassination by al-Qaeda in Iraq, whom he is widely credited with having defeated in much of western Iraq.
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alJazeera Magazine - Abu Reesha’s murder deals major blow to the U.S.

President George Bush wouldn’t be able to maintain his claim that Iraq’s security is improving, especially in the Sunni-dominated Anbar province, after last week’s brutal assassination of one of the key U.S. allies in the war-torn country, Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abu Reesha.

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According to the BBC, Ahmed Abu Reesha has been named as the tribal group's new leader after the death of his brother. He said after his appointment that “all the tribes agreed to fight al-Qaeda until the last child in Anbar."

Last week, the U.S. hailed the tribesmen success when U.S. military officer Major Lee Peters told AFP that since the end of March there had been 110 days of "zero attacks" in Ramadi, compared to nearly 25 to 30 attacks a day between January and March.

And on September 3, President Bush shook hands with Abu Reesha and told U.S. troops that the success in Anbar could lead to a reduction in troop numbers in Iraq.
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His tribe wanted payback and they basically wiped out Al Qaeda in the Anbar Province.
Well, for about 110 days Al Qaeda was silent...the problem is that Al Qaeda can come and go in the night...but this doesn't change the fact that the "surge" couldn't protect Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abu Risha or the fact that it wasn't the surge that shut down Al Qaeda but the Sunni. Two facts that McCain't doesn't seem able to understand.
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Well, for about 110 days Al Qaeda was silent...the problem is that Al Qaeda can come and go in the night...but this doesn't change the fact that the "surge" couldn't protect Sheikh Abdul Sattar Abu Risha or the fact that it wasn't the surge that shut down Al Qaeda but the Sunni. Two facts that McCain't doesn't seem able to understand.
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