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This article just sums it up - so many gaffes, so many years old. I have voted for McCain as Senator for all the years that he's represented AZ - even worked for him in his first presidential bid. But looking at how many misstatements he makes on a regular basis - I begin to wonder if he really is competent to do the job. Yeah, everyone can screw up - but the entire premise of John McCain’s campaign pitch is that he has an unrivaled expertise in foreign policy.

McCain expresses concern over Iraq-Pakistan border — which doesn’t exist
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Remember, the entire premise of John McCain’s campaign pitch is that he has an unrivaled expertise in foreign policy.

For those of you who can’t watch clips online, McCain appeared on ABC’s “Good Morning America” a few hours ago, and Diane Sawyer asked if he believed “the situation in Afghanistan is precarious and urgent.” McCain, carefully avoiding Sawyer’s adjectives, responded, “It’s a serious situation, but there’s a lot of things we need to do. We have a lot of work to do and I’m afraid that it’s a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border.”

And in apparent attempt to win the electoral votes of Schmuck Town, McCain added, “And I would not announce that I’m going to attack Pakistan, as Sen. Obama did when he was during [sic] his campaign.”

Watching McCain humiliate himself like this is just painful. For one thing, Iraq and Pakistan don’t share a border. They’re not even especially close — Iraq and Pakistan are separated by 1,500 miles and the country of Iran.

For another, Obama did not “announce” that he’s going to “attack” Pakistan. Obama said he would authorize pursuit against high-value terrorist targets if targets slipped into areas of Pakistan where Musharraf has limited control. If John McCain seriously wants to tell voters that he would not pursue terrorists in this area, perhaps he should stop lying and start acknowledging the weakness of his counter-terrorism policy.

Regardless, the comments reflect a larger problem for McCain and his surprisingly incoherent perspective on the basics of foreign policy.

Look, I know it’s easy to make a mistake on live, national television. But Diane Sawyer had just asked about Afghanistan when McCain started talking about the Iraq-Pakistan border. Indeed, in context, it seemed as if McCain was so anxious to falsely attack Obama on U.S. policy towards Pakistan that he changed subjects in mid-sentence, leading to a gaffe that didn’t make any sense at all.

And if McCain were generally coherent on matters of foreign policy, it’d be easier to overlook minor errors like talking about borders that don’t exist. But the real problem here is that McCain’s constant confusion seems to be part of a pattern.

* McCain continues to believe Czechoslovakia is still a country.

* McCain has been confused about the difference between Sudan and Somalia.

* McCain has been confused about whether he wants more U.S. troops in Afghanistan, more NATO troops in Afghanistan, or both.

* McCain has been confused about how many U.S. troops are in Iraq.

* McCain has been confused about whether the U.S. can maintain a long-term presence in Iraq.

* McCain has been confused about the source of violence in Iraq.

* McCain has been confused about Iran’s relationship with al Qaeda.

* McCain has been confused about the difference between Sunni and Shi’ia.

* McCain has been confused about Gen. Petraeus’ responsibilities in Iraq.

* McCain has been confused about what transpired during the Maliki government’s recent offensive in Basra.

* McCain has been confused about Gen. Petraeus’ ability to travel around Baghdad “in a non-armed Humvee.”

* McCain has been so confused about Iraq, in November 2006, he couldn’t even do a live interview about the war without reading prepared notes on national television.

* McCain has been confused about his vote on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

* McCain, following a trip to Germany, referred to “President Putin of Germany.” (Updated)

And this only covers McCain’s obvious incoherence on his signature issue.

More - McCain expresses concern over Iraq-Pakistan border t exist - The Carpetbagger Report
And this from a source (The Carpetbagger Report) that links to such blogs as Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, FireDogLake, MyDD, and any number of others with the term "left" contained in their respective names.

Not exactly an objective source of information, in my opinion.

The author of the article got it about right with the observation (however perfunctory its intention) that "it’s easy to make a mistake on live, national television." Then, however, came the requisite "but," which is always useful as an introduction to the clause that will vitiate the preceding admission.

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And this from a source (The Carpetbagger Report) that links to such blogs as Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, FireDogLake, MyDD, and any number of others with the term "left" contined in their respective names.
They gave the video of McCain't saying it, what more do you want?
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They gave the video of McCain't saying it, what more do you want?
I never denied that the statement occurred. It just seems that you stopped reading my remarks at a convenient place--well, convenient for your predetermined position, anyway. So in order to set the record straight, I will repeat them:

"The author of the article got it about right with the observation (however perfunctory its intention) that 'it’s easy to make a mistake on live, national television.' Then, however, came the requisite 'but,' which is always useful as an introduction to the clause that will vitiate the preceding admission."

Does that clarify the matter sufficiently for you?
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Does that clarify the matter sufficiently for you?
What would clarify the matter is if you proved that a single example this "credible" source put up was wrong. Your assertion that the source is not credible is unfounded.
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And this from a source (The Carpetbagger Report) that links to such blogs as Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, FireDogLake, MyDD, and any number of others with the term "left" contined in their respective names.

Not exactly an objective source of information, in my opinion.

The author of the article got it about right with the observation (however perfunctory its intention) that "it’s easy to make a mistake on live, national television." Then, however, came the requisite "but," which is always useful as an introduction to the clause that will vitiate the preceding admission.
Ah, when you can't deny the facts, it is time to attack the source. Yes, the campaign is grinding for a 71 year old - but being president isn't a stressfree walk in the park. If he's screwing up this often - in the area where he claims his expertise makes him electable it is incumbent on voters to exammine his record thus far.

Not too impressive - not if you are looking for coherent policy, at least.
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So all the lefty sources are bad, but then the people that say this will do an about face and listen to Fox News, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, and read the National Review, Washington Times, etc...

And if Obama were to make some of these more major mistakes that McCain is making, the Republican smear staffers would be all over it.

So, darn it, lefties should not act like righties?
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I don't think McCain is stupid, I just think he's a relic. Not because of his age, though that contributes circumstantially, but because of his apparent mentality.

McCain is a cold war animal. He just isn't designed to function in the modern international world. You can't necessarily blame him, and he's not alone, but I sure as sht won't be voting for someone who thinks it's still 1980.
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This article just sums it up - so many gaffes, so many years old. I have voted for McCain as Senator for all the years that he's represented AZ - even worked for him in his first presidential bid. But looking at how many misstatements he makes on a regular basis - I begin to wonder if he really is competent to do the job. Yeah, everyone can screw up - but the entire premise of John McCain’s campaign pitch is that he has an unrivaled expertise in foreign policy.

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How many states has N'Obama visited.. all 57 or did he not get to them. Were they US states or the 57 Islamic states? Oh, he was NOT allowed to go to Alaska and Hawaii...?

YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States

What intelligence!! LOL.
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How many states has N'Obama visited.. all 57 or did he not get to them. Were they US states or the 57 Islamic states? Oh, he was NOT allowed to go to Alaska and Hawaii...?

YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States

What intelligence!! LOL.
he meant 47 and you know it. A slip of the tongue does not get close to the mass stupidity of the other candidate.
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How many states has N'Obama visited.. all 57 or did he not get to them. Were they US states or the 57 Islamic states? Oh, he was NOT allowed to go to Alaska and Hawaii...?

YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States

What intelligence!! LOL.

Okay - that's one for Obama - and a trivial one, too. And how many did I list for McCain - in his supposed area of expertise? Careful truth - you're making my point.
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