Originally Posted by Birdzeye

You're a fine one to lecture me on "weight," after trying to falsely correlate network popularity with "balance."
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Originally Posted by Grim17

Not only did Hume correctly predict how the liberal main stream media would ignore the political gains in Iraq, he also does something that no other news anchor would dare do... Tell the truth about personal bias!

I have noticed that people in the news media who have a conservative bias (which are few) don't have an issue admitting it, while those in the media who have a liberal bias (the overwhelming majority) refuse to be honest about it. Why is that?

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

So when is FOX going to "try to be . . . fair?"

Originally Posted by Grim17

They are.

If you believe they aren't, then please post a news story that ABC, NBC and CBS aired, that FOX News ignored.

FOX News has been praised recently by members of the Hillary Clinton campaign, because they were the only MSM news network that gave them fair and equal coverage in their battle with Obama.

Now Birdzeye, do you have any comment on what I posted?

Originally Posted by Skerlnik

I think any pretense of our media being "fair" and unbiased was taken out back and executed long ago.

Of course the media is biased!!! They are complete whores for ratings and tailor stories, choose to report and not report, accordingly. The media watch polls closer than anyone. The instant the people got sick of, and started questioning the Iraq War, they quit cheerleading it and all pretended to be all concerned.... The media are the ultimate panderers.

The Village Voice isn't written for conservatives, and Fox News isn't intended for liberals. People LIKE self-confirmation, and dislike hearing news that goes against their own biases, and I can't imagine there are a whole lot people out there who weigh and balance everything, or get their news from a variety of sources.

I'm not aware of anything that mandates that the media be neutral. Why is this always such a surprise to people when some outlet airs some story you don't agree with? Nobody was accusing the MSM of liberality when all of them salaciously jumped on every sordid detail of the Lewinsky affair. Where was the righteous indignation, then?

So, come on. Everyone knows the media isn't neutral. That's why Fox News was created to begin with. No victim card to play, here, Grim.

Originally Posted by Grim17

The liberal bias in the main stream media is obvious.

Networks like NBC, CBS and ABC have done several stories on how those benchmarks hadn't been met before, and now that 10 of the 18 have been met, complete silence.

Not meeting benchmarks = Story
Meeting benchmarks = Non story

Losing the war = Story
Winning the war = Non story

Civil war in Iraq = Story
No civil war in Iraq = Non story

Obama goes to Iraq = Big news
McCain goes to Iraq = Yawn

I could go on and on, but I think I've made my point.

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

Fox is "fair?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You gotta be kidding!!!!

Since you're the one trying to make a claim here (of Fox's alleged fairness), perhaps you could cite a few examples of news stories that they put out that were very unfavorable to conservatives and/or GOPers.

Originally Posted by Skerlnik

Grim, I think you severely overestimate the Vast Liberal Conspiracy. At least its impact.

If what you assert really is true, how can we explain the rather rightward shift of the national character overthe last 20-25 years? This election will again be a fairly tight one, and it's not all that certain Obama will win at all. Even so, Congress maintains such a balance for status quo (you can't count on Democrats to vote Democrat at all), that it's unlikely there will be any sort of massive leftward shift.

If you think the MSM is some liberal propaganda machine, it's a pretty pathetic one, and not worthy of losing sleep over.

Originally Posted by sleuth

because the liberal media is preoccupied with holding the conservative (and more biased) media accountable, as they are prone to spin and lies in order to preserve the status quo at all costs.

what gains?

the al-maliki government is no closer, today, to a working government, representative of all factions, than the day when it took power.

al-maliki said in der spiegel, he agreed with the timetable obama suggested. what did the bush white house do, but proclaim him as misinterpreted
more propaganda, don't you think.

in case you had not noticed, it don't play like it used to. bush has no political capital in da vault.

Originally Posted by Affrayer

The success of FAUX News is equatable to pornography on the internet. There is always an audience for Perversion and Titelation...

In Faux's case, they have an audience composed of those people stupid enough to have voted for Bush and dumb enough to think he's doing a good job...

Originally Posted by Grim17

Well here's an absolute shock!

Affrayer ignores the topic of the thread and instead goes off topic to attack Bush and FOX News.

Who didn't see that coming?

Originally Posted by Grim17

Well, you might as well lock this one down too OE. Not because it breaks the rules, but because the liberals here refuse to have a civil discussion.

Originally Posted by sleuth

aww. grim widdle feewins is hoit, cause they won't answer the way he sees fit
such whining.

are all ex-military whiners?

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

Oh, puh-leeze, Grim! The tone of your posts is consistently hostile and belligerent. It's not conducive towards having a "civil" discussion. If that's what you want, you'll deep six the hostility, and stop starting baiting threads.

Originally Posted by sleuth

i'm thinking emergency enema.

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Grim: These libs can never address the issues that you address because they know that you are right.

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

And what issues are those? All we get from him is baiting and mindless insults, no signs of interest on his part in having a "civil" discussion.

Originally Posted by sleuth

why do most reasonable people find this assertion ludicrous?
because it is. liberals addressing an issue or not, has nothing to do with lies being asserted as truth. fox is the most skewed and biased news source, and err'body knows it.

Originally Posted by TheStripey1

oh really?

since Grim doesn't appear as if he's going to be able to post responses to my questions, and since you seem to be taking up his mantle, would you mind answering these questions I directed AT Grim...

first, list all the benchmarks that bush laid out for them to meet way back when he initiated the surge. (January 2007)
second, please list how and when those benchmarks were met.

Thanks...

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Originally Posted by Southern Man

Hume's statements nail you on this:

Quote:
You’re a sentient, thinking, human being. You’re going to have views in reaction to things. But I’ll say this about it. I believe that fairness begins with an awareness that no, you’re not objective. And it is your professional duty and responsibility to be aware of that. And to carry that with you into the work that you do so that you can be fair.

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

Hume talks the talk, but his employer doesn't walk the walk of fairness.

Originally Posted by Zephyr

Brit Hume is a dirty, lying, hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Michael

And anytime I hear a Bush fanatical supporter on this, I have to ask - if we are winning - when do our troops come home?

Our troops are still over there getting maimed and killed, and that does not look like WINNING to me.

Originally Posted by Southern Man

As your Messiah: Barry Hussein Obama. He plans on keeping 50,000 troops there, even after their "redeployment".

Originally Posted by sleuth

i'm beginning to see a pattern in your postings here and elsewhere.
you like confrontation, as a bottom line. hume's statements are neither here nor there. no one is 100 % objectiive, but you try. fox noise is 100 % not objective, and err'body knows it

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Anyone who posts on political boards likes confrontation.

FNC doesn't claim to be objective, just "fair and balanced".

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

And their claim to being "fair and balanced" is a crock of s***.

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Apparently their viewers, who number more than any other news network, disagree.

Originally Posted by Birdzeye

Viewing a news channel does not necessarily imply "agreement" that that channel is "fair and balanced." Correleation is not causation.

What credible evidence do you have for the reasons people watch Fox?

Originally Posted by Southern Man

The evidence is based on the fact that FNC advertised itself as "fair and balanced" from the get-go and is its single most differentiating attribute. Also, FNC started after all these other news networks, and grew each year until it outpaced all of them.

What other characteristic would you posit that viewers are attracted to?

Originally Posted by Jojo

Yeah - look how unfair it is!! They are actually editing his interviews to make him look competent!

McCain Falsely Claims The Surge ‘Began The Anbar Awakening,’ But CBS Edits It Out»

During an interview with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), CBS Evening News host Katie Couric noted that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) said recently that “there might have been improved security [in Iraq] even without the surge” and asked McCain, “What’s your response to that?”

After first calling Obama’s claim “a false depiction of what actually happened,” McCain proceeded to falsely claim that the surge “began the Anbar awakening“:

McCAIN: I don’t know how you respond to something that is such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.

But in a puzzling move, the CBS Evening News did not actually televise McCain’s false claim tonight. As MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann reported, “CBS curiously, to say the least, left it on the edit room floor. It aired Katie Couric’s question, but in response, it inserted part of McCain’s answer to another question instead.”

In fact, the Sunni revolt against Al-Qaida in Iraq’s Anbar province — commonly referred to as “The Awakening” — “began” long before Bush even announced his “surge” policy in January 2007. As the New York Times noted in April 2007:

The turnabout began last September [2006], when a federation of tribes in the Ramadi area came together as the Anbar Salvation Council to oppose the fundamentalist militants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.

But also, President Bush himself noted this fact in a speech to the Naval War College in June, 2007:

Last September [2006], Anbar was all over the news. It was held up as an example of America’s failure in Iraq. The papers cited a leaked intelligence report that was pessimistic about our prospects there. […]

About the same time some folks were writing off Anbar, our troops were methodically clearing Anbar’s capital city of Ramadi of terrorists, and winning the trust of the local population. In parallel with these efforts, a group of tribal sheiks launched a movement called “The Awakening” — and began cooperating with American and Iraqi forces.

Spencer Ackerman notes that the colonel McCain cited is “now a one-star general” and had explained the “Awakening” to a reporter in September 2006 “before it even had a name.” “For McCain to say that the Anbar Awakening is the product of the surge is either a lie or professional malpractice,” added Ackerman.

Think Progress But CBS Edits It Out

Originally Posted by Michael

Isn't interesting when Iraqis are making the right decisions, such as turn on Al Qaeda, and then (all too typical American way of thinking) we are arguing for which American gets the credit.

Originally Posted by Southern Man

1. Actually there is: Marginal Revolution: Surprise! Fox News is Fair and Balanced!
2. I gave you my thoughts on that in a rational progression, and I am patiently waiting for your opposing logical progression.

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Perhaps Grim is as bored with you as I am.