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Old 07-23-2008, 12:28 PM
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The evidence is based on the fact that FNC advertised itself as "fair and balanced" from the get-go and is its single most differentiating attribute. Also, FNC started after all these other news networks, and grew each year until it outpaced all of them.

What other characteristic would you posit that viewers are attracted to?
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The evidence is based on the fact that FNC advertised itself as "fair and balanced" from the get-go and is its single most differentiating attribute. Also, FNC started after all these other news networks, and grew each year until it outpaced all of them.

What other characteristic would you posit that viewers are attracted to?
That's not evidence. That's fallacious logic at best. What real evidence do you have to show the REASONS behind people choosing to watch Fox? A well designed surveye, for instance? The fact that people watch Fox in no way proves that their claim of being "fair and balanced" is real.

Try again.
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That's not evidence. That's fallacious logic at best. What real evidence do you have to show the REASONS behind people choosing to watch Fox? A well designed surveye, for instance? The fact that people watch Fox in no way proves that their claim of being "fair and balanced" is real.

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Please address the last sentence in my post that you responded to. This will allow you to "try again" to defend your assertion that my logic was “fallacious”.
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FNC doesn't claim to be objective, just "fair and balanced".
it is anything but
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Since I don't have any hardcore evidence to show the reasons people watch Fox, I can't "posit" anything.

Your logic is indeed fallacious because you have provided zero evidence of a connection between viewership rates as evidence that Fox is "fair and balanced."
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Since I don't have any hardcore evidence to show the reasons people watch Fox, I can't "posit" anything. …
Yet you did here:

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And their claim to being "fair and balanced" is a crock of s***.
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Yet you did here:
But there is no evidence that their claim is true.

Are you still dodging my challenge to show some connection between that claim and their audience ratings?
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Yeah - look how unfair it is!! They are actually editing his interviews to make him look competent!

McCain Falsely Claims The Surge ‘Began The Anbar Awakening,’ But CBS Edits It Out»

During an interview with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), CBS Evening News host Katie Couric noted that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) said recently that “there might have been improved security [in Iraq] even without the surge” and asked McCain, “What’s your response to that?”

After first calling Obama’s claim “a false depiction of what actually happened,” McCain proceeded to falsely claim that the surge “began the Anbar awakening“:

McCAIN: I don’t know how you respond to something that is such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarland was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the surge we were able to go out and protect that sheik and others. And it began the Anbar awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.

But in a puzzling move, the CBS Evening News did not actually televise McCain’s false claim tonight. As MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann reported, “CBS curiously, to say the least, left it on the edit room floor. It aired Katie Couric’s question, but in response, it inserted part of McCain’s answer to another question instead.”

In fact, the Sunni revolt against Al-Qaida in Iraq’s Anbar province — commonly referred to as “The Awakening” — “began” long before Bush even announced his “surge” policy in January 2007. As the New York Times noted in April 2007:

The turnabout began last September [2006], when a federation of tribes in the Ramadi area came together as the Anbar Salvation Council to oppose the fundamentalist militants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.

But also, President Bush himself noted this fact in a speech to the Naval War College in June, 2007:

Last September [2006], Anbar was all over the news. It was held up as an example of America’s failure in Iraq. The papers cited a leaked intelligence report that was pessimistic about our prospects there. […]

About the same time some folks were writing off Anbar, our troops were methodically clearing Anbar’s capital city of Ramadi of terrorists, and winning the trust of the local population. In parallel with these efforts, a group of tribal sheiks launched a movement called “The Awakening” — and began cooperating with American and Iraqi forces.

Spencer Ackerman notes that the colonel McCain cited is “now a one-star general” and had explained the “Awakening” to a reporter in September 2006 “before it even had a name.” “For McCain to say that the Anbar Awakening is the product of the surge is either a lie or professional malpractice,” added Ackerman.

Think Progress But CBS Edits It Out
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Isn't interesting when Iraqis are making the right decisions, such as turn on Al Qaeda, and then (all too typical American way of thinking) we are arguing for which American gets the credit.
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But there is no evidence that their claim is true.

Are you still dodging my challenge to show some connection between that claim and their audience ratings?
1. Actually there is:
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Surprise! Fox News is Fair and Balanced!...It turns out that all of the major media outlets, with the exception of Fox News: Special Report are considerably more liberal than the median member of the House over the 1993-1999 period. Moreover, although Fox News: Special Report was to the right of the median house member it was closer to the median member than were most of the other media outlets. (Interestingly, all of the liberal media outlets were less liberal than the average Democrat and Fox News is less conservative than the average Republican - thus there is a sense in which all media outlets are less biased than is the typical politician.)
Marginal Revolution: Surprise! Fox News is Fair and Balanced!
2. I gave you my thoughts on that in a rational progression, and I am patiently waiting for your opposing logical progression.
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