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Old 07-23-2008, 06:04 PM
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Yep, he was shipped in during the Ardenne offensive and was there until Germany surrendered.

It's just a simple fact that the infantry in every war is cannon fodder...
Now what context are you saying cannon fodder in?

That they are treated as such, or that they really are cannon fodder. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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Of course, maybe the United States needs to take a closer look at how it uses its military. There is no "national interest" in interfering in the internal affairs of other countries. We should follow the wisdom of the founding fathers and not send our troops all over the world to fight battles that really have nothing to do with us (Bosnia and Rwanda come to mind, as well as the first Gulf War, Viet Nam, Korea...). As it is, 9/11 happened as a consequence of our interfering in the internal affiars of the Middle East since the 1950s (the consequence being retaliation).
I agree wholeheartedly, and that kinda freaks me out.
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:17 PM
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I am going to guess that the government sees "used" soldiers as a welfare drain, and given our history of constantly cutting welfare back to the point of near-uselessness....well, you do the math.

Perhaps to properly take care of our used soldiers, it would leave less in the budget for shiny new toys to mothball, and the Pentagon doesn't consider that they'd get any "return" on the "investment"? After all, aren't they rescinding the enlistment bonuses for injured/discharged vets, because the vets haven't fulfilled their contractual obligation?

It's sad and sick, and it's pathetic for a country this rich and powerful, that prides itself on it's military might to be so callous towards post-combat care, but the Pentagon never struck me as the empathic, sentimental type.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:12 PM
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So you are okay with someone calling your service cannon fodder?
If that accurately describes what they're being used for, yes. Let's call it what it is.

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I am sure the folks who died defending this country, and saving Europe from the likes of Hitler appreciate being remembered as cannon fodder.
Of course they don't appreciate it but let's not try to hide behind nice-sounding euphemisms.
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I am going to guess that the government sees "used" soldiers as a welfare drain, and given our history of constantly cutting welfare back to the point of near-uselessness....well, you do the math.

Perhaps to properly take care of our used soldiers, it would leave less in the budget for shiny new toys to mothball, and the Pentagon doesn't consider that they'd get any "return" on the "investment"? After all, aren't they rescinding the enlistment bonuses for injured/discharged vets, because the vets haven't fulfilled their contractual obligation?

It's sad and sick, and it's pathetic for a country this rich and powerful, that prides itself on it's military might to be so callous towards post-combat care, but the Pentagon never struck me as the empathic, sentimental type.
Of course, there would be less use for the military if we weren't going around interfering in the internal affairs of other nations.
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Of course, there would be less use for the military if we weren't going around interfering in the internal affairs of other nations.
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Now what context are you saying cannon fodder in?

That they are treated as such, or that they really are cannon fodder. There is a distinct difference between the two.

The infantry is unarguably the cannon fodder in every war. Infantry bear the brunt of the casualties in every war.
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The infantry is unarguably the cannon fodder in every war. Infantry bear the brunt of the casualties in every war.
That is more or less correct. But what I am trying to point out is that they may bear the brunt in every conflict, that does not mean that they are expendable. Or that they should not receive assistance and care once there tour is up.
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That is more or less correct. But what I am trying to point out is that they may bear the brunt in every conflict, that does not mean that they are expendable. Or that they should not receive assistance and care once there tour is up.

And this is an issue that has to cross party lines and class lines. The fact is, it's largely working class and poor kids who enlist and fight our wars. Injuries to a dad or a son can cost jobs, and even houses. No fair saying to that one armed poor kid with a brain injury that it's his fault he can't support his kids, or that his mother had to quit work. We need to target them with rehab and with job skills, and provide a disability pay for families while it is being done.
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