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Anyone who increases the size and power of government is a liberal...
Once again we see conservative good and liberal bad. Objectivism, Reactionism, Monarchism, Aristocracy and, to some extent, Fascism and Nazism. are right wing governments and they all increase the size of government. In fact in American election after election the conservatives have voted for governments that have all increased the size of government such as Nixon, Ford, Reagan's, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr.

Those are just the facts...

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He is a liberal republican.
So any republican who fails is a liberal....

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...still a Republican but not of the conservative wing.
Given your definition of liberal and conservative, there are no conservatives except in your imagination!

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Conservative seek to reduce the size and power of government.
And yet conservatives keep voting for candidates that increase the size of the government. Can you explain?

BTW: The conservatives voted against Clinton who did decease the size of government, can you explain?
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Once again we see conservative good and liberal bad. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing]Objectivism, Reactionism, Monarchism, Aristocracy and, to some extent, Fascism and Nazism.[url] are right wing governments and they all increase the size of government. In fact in American election after election the conservatives have voted for governments that have all increased the size of government such as Nixon, Ford, Reagan's, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr.

So any republican who fails is a liberal....

Given your definition of liberal and conservative, there are no conservatives except in your imagination!



And yet conservatives keep voting for candidates that increase the size of the government. Can you explain?

BTW: The conservatives voted against Clinton who did decease the size of government, can you explain?
Fascism and Nazism were socialist governments.. e.g. leftist.. they used government to solve their problems and government controlled everything. Left wing zealots... like Marxists, socialists...

Bush, Ford, Nixon.. were all Liberal Republicans.. not conservatives.

Reagan tried to reduce the size of government .. cutting taxes dramatically .. he increased the military only because Carter had decimated it so badly.
Reagan was hamstrung by a Democrat (liberal not leftist) Congress.. .

Reagan, Goldwater are conservatives.. as are Gingrich, Jesse Helms, Cheney, Barr (although he has gone further right).and many more. They all preach for smaller, limited government. That is what conservatives believe.. individual freedom of choice is the solution ....
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Fascism and Nazism were socialist governments.. e.g. leftist..
If you look, I linked them back to a source that concludes they are right wingers. However if you beg me to take your word I will consider doing so. So start your begging....

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Bush, Ford, Nixon.. were all Liberal Republicans.. not conservatives.
And yet the conservatives voted for them, can you explain?

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Reagan tried to reduce the size of government ..
Please offer a single budget that he submitted to congress that reflects your beliefs?

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Reagan was hamstrung by a Democrat (liberal not leftist) Congress..
Hahahahahahahahaha....there was no democrat congress at least not until after 1986. Once again your grasp of history exposes your ignorance.

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Reagan, Goldwater are conservatives.
Hahahahahahahahaha....Reagan failed. That makes him a liberal in your mind.
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If you look, I linked them back to a source that concludes they are right wingers. However if you beg me to take your word I will consider doing so. So start your begging....
And yet the conservatives voted for them, can you explain?
Please offer a single budget that he submitted to congress that reflects your beliefs?
Hahahahahahahahaha....there was no democrat congress at least not until after 1986. Once again your grasp of history exposes your ignorance.
Hahahahahahahahaha....Reagan failed. That makes him a liberal in your mind.
Tip O'neil said that ALL of the Reagan Budgets were dead on arrival..

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"Like clockwork -- when the next Congressional election came around -- the Democratic Party led by then Speaker Thomas “Tip” O' Neil would demagogue the issue; and pronounce with TV ads that Republicans wanted to privatize Social Security and, by the way, cut or eliminate grandma’s benefit check."


Read the Constitution.. ALL spending bills originate in the House. Democrats were big spenders then.


Conservatives voted for Nixon.. who ran against . Conservatives voted against Dukakas and Kerry? Gore? McGovern.Geesh.. All liberal.. Gore and McGovern and Kerry are Leftists...

That is why conservative will vote against Obama.. the most leftist Marxist ever to be elected to the Senate...
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Tip O'neil said that ALL of the Reagan Budgets were dead on arrival..
So you couldn't find a single Reagan budget that reduced the size of government.

Why am I not surprised...

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Read the Constitution.
Last time we did the Constitution I punked your patoot...

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ALL spending bills originate in the House.
This was changed under Nixon. Once again you prove your grasp of history only serves to demonstrate your ignorance.

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Conservatives voted....
That's right, your vaunted conservatives voted for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, Dole, and Bush Jr.

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That is why conservative will vote against Obama.
So why did conservatives vote for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, Dole, and Bush Jr in the primaries?

The conservatives voted for McCain't in the primaries, can you explain?
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So you couldn't find a single Reagan budget that reduced the size of government.

Why am I not surprised...




So why did conservatives vote for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, Dole, and Bush Jr in the primaries?

The conservatives voted for McCain't in the primaries, can you explain?


Really not surprised? , then what are these NY Times stories all about..? HUH.. Unacceptable cuts in government.. SEE Leftists cannot cut their God and saviour.. government... Conservatives will continue to push for more and deeper cuts..

THE FINAL REAGAN BUDGET; REAGAN EMBRACES OPTIMISTIC GOALS IN HIS LAST BUDGET - New York Times
"Over all, Mr. Reagan called for an end to 82 Federal programs plus deep cuts in a number of others; spending should be cut back by $9.7 billion on farm programs, he said, and by about $5 billion on Medicare and Medicaid, the two huge health programs for the elderly and the poor"

Reagan Sends $1 Trillion Budget to Congress, and Battle Is Joined
"hese were among other highlights of the budget the President submitted today:

* There would be no cuts in Social Security benefits.

* Pay for members of Congress, Federal judges and other high officials would rise, but not by as much as an advisory panel recommended.

* The Federal Government would eliminate the subsidy on school lunches served to children from families with incomes more than 85 percent above the official poverty level. A family of four would be affected if it had earnings of more than $20,350 in 1988.

* The budget of the Securities and Exchange Commission would rise 26 percent, from $114.5 million this year to $144.6 million in 1988.

* Over the next five years, the Government would obtain $4.6 billion from selling the naval petroleum reserves at Elk Hills, Calif., and Teapot Dome, Wyo. It would get $13.8 billion from selling regional agencies that sell electric power.

* Cuts in farm programs would save $500 million in 1988 and $23.9 billion over five years. Federal payments to farmers would no longer be based on the amount they produce. Farmers could receive payments under the wheat, corn, rice and cotton programs even if they chose to grow other crops, or no crops at all. But the payments would be sharply reduced from the levels permitted by current law.

* Cuts in financial aid for college students would save $1.8 billion in 1988 and $20.2 billion over five years. College students would have to pay new fees for guaranteed student loans, ranging up to 9 percent of the amount borrowed. For the first time, students would have to pay interest on loans while they were still in school."


Any cuts were unacceptable to the Democrat majority in the house and Senate.... Note the comments of Loyd Benston... who knew JFK...


Conservatives did not vote for McCain in the primaries.. I heard that Hillary supporters voted for McCAin... instead of Obama... word is they will do this in the fall also.

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....then what are these NY Times stories all about..?
Well the first one you linked is about Reagan's last budget that he submitted 11 days before he left office. And the second link fails to mention that in eight years Reagan NEVER vetoed a regular appropriations budget. Get it? Not once...

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Any cuts were unacceptable to the Democrat majority in the house and Senate....
Once again your grasp of history only serves to demonstrate your ignorance.

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Conservatives did not vote for McCain in the primaries.
Hahahahahahahaha....which is why McCain't crushed all other candidates.

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...I heard that Hillary supporters voted for McCAin...
Hahahahahahahahahahaha....I heard the Martians flew down and stuffed the ballot boxes.
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Well the first one you linked is about Reagan's last budget that he submitted 11 days before he left office. And the second link fails to mention that in eight years Reagan NEVER vetoed a regular appropriations budget. Get it? Not once...

Once again your grasp of history only serves to demonstrate your ignorance.
Hahahahahahahaha....which is why McCain't crushed all other candidates.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha....I heard the Martians flew down and stuffed the ballot boxes.
yes he vetoed the pork and increases in socialism that was being offered by.. who? the Democrat Congress.. those who think that Government is the solution to all problems....

YouTube - President Reagan - Government is the problem
President Reagan - Government is the problem Government IS the problem.

R Reagan was a conservative who stood for smaller government.
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yes he vetoed the pork and increases in socialism that was being offered by..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....name one regular appropriation bill that reagan vetoed?

You can't because Reagan signed every one of them with a twinkle in his eye. That's your conservative for you...

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the Democrat Congress..
Must I keep reminding you that there wasn't a democrat congress until after 1986? You cling to your ignorance with such stamina.

I agree, government is the problem when conservatives like Reagan or Bush Jr run it. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy.

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R Reagan was a conservative who stood for smaller government.
Nope, Reagan is a conservative because of his massive deficits, insane domestic programs and expansion of the government. That's what the conservatives vote for and that's what conservatives get...
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The Raw Story | More than 56,000 in U.S. infected with AIDS each year

WASHINGTON - New estimates show that least 56,000 people become infected with the AIDS virus every year in the United States -- 40 percent more than previous calculations, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Saturday.

The CDC stressed that actual infection rates have not risen but said better methods of measuring newly diagnosed infections and extrapolating these to the general population led to the higher estimates.

"CDC's first estimates from this system reveal that the HIV epidemic is -- and has been -- worse than previously known. Results indicate that approximately 56,300 new HIV infections occurred in the United States in 2006," the CDC said in a statement.

"This figure is roughly 40 percent higher than CDC's former estimate of 40,000 infections per year, which was based on limited data and less precise methods."

The CDC said the epidemic has been stable since the late 1990s, "though the number of new HIV infections remains unacceptably high."
Now it's hard to say if this is another Bush failure because there is grounds to believe Bush never cared about solving the problem. In fact Bush probably believes like so many of this fellow republicans that HIV is God's revenge on the homosexuals. However, if this was anyone else, a person with an ounce of empathy and concern for the country, this would be another example of failure...
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