You know that things are going well in Iraq, when the NY Times actually admits that President Bush was right.

Great article!

Invading a sovereign nation without a formal declaration of war was not 'right.'

But it was necessary and perfectly legal.

Saddam was a local thug. America had no compelling national security interest involved in Iraq worth the deaths of American soldiers' lives.

Is there less violence now? Yes. Does that mean we are closer to resolving the real issues and getting our troops out? No. I have already posted this at length about no progress on reconciliation.

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That's not what the majority of the Congress, the Senate and the American people believed back in 2003. It's easy to make such claims today, but what we believe today, has nothing to do with what we believed when the decision was made to invade Iraq.

Let’s go back and consider how the world looked in....

....the winter of 2001. Gas was $1.30, the budget was balanced, the USA was at peace with the world, the country had 3 million more factory jobs, and the National Debt was only 5 trillion.

My what a paradox....

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Ahhh, and there we have it ladies and gentelmen... The classic and often used "switch the topic" tactic we have all become accustomed to seeing from the inept folks from the left.

Unfortunately, this person doesn't know how to be sly about it. Since the board is dominated by his kind, I guess he doesn't have to be.

In comparison with the countless numbers of Iraqis killed in this war what's a few thousand American soldiers? Frankly I could hardly care less about people who's job is to kill and occupy foreign nations. I don't want our troops out of iraq for their safety, I want our troops out of Iraq for the safety of the Iraqis!

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I have to agree that this topic is the Iraq war, not oil prices, debt or unemployment.

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Bzzzzz, let's try again:

Necessary:
Even assuming Saddam possessed the means of harming America, no threats or actions had been made to that end.

Even assuming Saddam possessed the means of harming America, to do so would have been suicide, and so he wouldn't have done it.

Even assuming Saddam possessed the means of harming America, he would not have passed them along to terrorists who believed is secular regime to be an afront to God.

Then of course we note that he didn't have the means of harming America.


Domestic Legality:

Congress did not, and to this day has not declared war. Rather, they unconstitutionally empowered the PRESIDENT, in direct violation of Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 and Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution to go to war at his discretion. Congress declares war, the president fights it, that's how it works in America, and that's not how our government went about doing it.

International Legality:

The US is a member of the United Nations, a signatory of its charter and one of the founding members even. The UN voted against punitive military actions against Iraq, and the United States invaded anyway. Thus, the United States unlawfully invaded a sovereign nation, which placed our country in direct violation of the UN charter, of which were are ORIGINAL SIGNATORIES.

Sorry Bourne, wrong on all counts. The war in Iraq is indefensible.

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