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Shells from Pakistan hit Afghan bases | Reuters

KABUL (Reuters) - Artillery shells fired from Pakistan landed in an Afghan army compound and close to an international military base in Afghanistan on Saturday and NATO forces returned fire, the alliance said.

Elsewhere in Afghanistan, an improvised explosive device (IED) killed four U.S.-led coalition soldiers in the southern province of Kandahar, the scene of a large anti-Taliban offensive and an insurgent jail break.

Tension has mounted between Afghanistan and Pakistan in the last week after Afghan President Hamid Karzai threatened to send troops across the frontier to hunt down Taliban militants based in Pakistan's lawless border region.
So much lovely tension. The Turks want to attack the Kurds in Eastern Turkey as well as grab Iraq's Northern Oil Fields. The Iranians want to push the Kurds out of Northwestern Iran as well as grab Iraq's Northern Oil Fields. The Shi'ites want to kill the Sunni and Iran wants to take control of Iraq. And now Pakistan and Afghanistan want to go to war with each other...

This is perfect Bush....a perfect clusterf**k.
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The Raw Story | Battle shapes up over future of U.S. role in Iraq

BAGHDAD — The decisive battle of the Iraq war is shaping up — not in the streets of Baghdad but in the halls of government where the future of America's role across the region is on the line.

American and Iraqi officials have expressed new resolve to hammer out far-reaching deals that would allow U.S. forces to remain on bases across Iraq once the U.N. mandate expires at year's end.

The stakes in the talks are enormous.
Given Bush's performance to date, one of bumbling incompetence, are you prepared to sit back and have Bush and Cheney bind us to long term treaties?
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Given Bush's performance to date, one of bumbling incompetence, are you prepared to sit back and have Bush and Cheney bind us to long term treaties?
The US will get it's way as the Iraqi govt is too scared of losing their heads in the inevitable revolution that will depose them once the US is gone from Iraqi soil.
John "We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies" McCain will get his 100 years of war.
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McCain will get his 100 years of war.
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And how does your usual anti left auto response relate to jafaar? Here's a clue - check out his location.

And I think what he is saying is between Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan, we may be quagmired in the mideast for a long time.

Given our current way of thinking, that is a very real possibility. McCain does not want to leave before the job is done, but the job keeps getting bigger.

We need to rethink what we are doing over there.
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The US will get it's way as the Iraqi govt is too scared of losing their heads in the inevitable revolution that will depose them once the US is gone from Iraqi soil.
Excuse me but the Iraqi government is mostly Shi'ite so other than Sadr, who is going to revolt, the minority Sunni?

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Don't forget, McCain spent five years as a prisoner of war so he knows what he's talking about.....not.

But that's not the problem. Iraq is a powder keg waiting to explode...
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Given our current way of thinking, that is a very real possibility. McCain does not want to leave before the job is done, but the job keeps getting bigger.
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Well since it's obvious we didn't do much thinking going into the quagmire, I don't believe it is a matter of rethinking....
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Excuse me but the Iraqi government is mostly Shi'ite so other than Sadr, who is going to revolt, the minority Sunni?



Don't forget, McCain spent five years as a prisoner of war so he knows what he's talking about.....not.

But that's not the problem. Iraq is a powder keg waiting to explode...
Ok, either you're doing these things on purpose or you are mentally handicapped:

You suggest in the first passage that revolt is unlikely given the government's Shi'ite leanings and the country's Shi'ite majority, Then, not three sentences later, you state that "Iraq is a powder keg waiting to explode". Which is it?
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KABUL (Reuters) - Artillery shells fired from Pakistan landed in an Afghan army compound and close to an international military base in Afghanistan on Saturday and NATO forces returned fire, the alliance said.

Elsewhere in Afghanistan, an improvised explosive device (IED) killed four U.S.-led coalition soldiers in the southern province of Kandahar, the scene of a large anti-Taliban offensive and an insurgent jail break.

Tension has mounted between Afghanistan and Pakistan in the last week after Afghan President Hamid Karzai threatened to send troops across the frontier to hunt down Taliban militants based in Pakistan's lawless border region.
I'm not sure what to make of this story. Does anyone know if it was the Pakistani army that did this, or if it was tribal forces connected with the Taliban/al Qaida?

I think that is an important factor here.


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BAGHDAD — The decisive battle of the Iraq war is shaping up — not in the streets of Baghdad but in the halls of government where the future of America's role across the region is on the line.

American and Iraqi officials have expressed new resolve to hammer out far-reaching deals that would allow U.S. forces to remain on bases across Iraq once the U.N. mandate expires at year's end.

The stakes in the talks are enormous.
I think this is an important issue that needs to be addressed and resolved. My feelings on this are simple. If the Iraqi government wants us to have a military base there long term, much in the same way we have bases in Europe, I don't have a problem with that. If the Iraqi government doesn't want us their long term, then we need to finish training Iraqi security forces and leave.

I would also like to point out to those of you that piss and moan that my posts are "attacks" against the Obama campaign, the following comments that were included in both of these stories:

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Then, not three sentences later, you state that "Iraq is a powder keg waiting to explode". Which is it?
Please read the OP. The reason Iraq is about to explode is because of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. In very simple terms, Bush's invasion of Iraq has destabilized the entire region.
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