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Old 06-24-2008, 06:37 AM
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Pakistan adrift without leader - International Herald Tribune

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan remains in a leaderless drift four months after elections, Western diplomats and military officials have said, and Pakistani politicians and Afghan officials are increasingly worried that no one is really in charge.

The leadership vacuum is most stark in dealing with militants, Pakistani politicians and foreign diplomats have said, adding that the Pakistani government and military officials were sending mixed signals about policy in the tribal areas that have become home to the Taliban and to Al Qaeda.
Bush broke it and left this mess for the next president to fix....
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But I was told Pakistan and Afghanistan won't go to war. Told! I must be walking amongst the giants....
That's not what I told you... I told you that you were a liar when you stated:

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...And now Pakistan and Afghanistan want to go to war with each other...
Since we now know it wasn't the Pakistani military, but terrorist rebels that fired those artillery shells, I stand by my assertion.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:34 AM
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Since we now know it wasn't the Pakistani military, but terrorist rebels that fired those artillery shells, I stand by my assertion.
So then if Palestinian rebels fire at Israel, you will admit it is not Palestine that did it, right? (Just making sure your "logic" is consistent.)
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So then if Palestinian rebels fire at Israel, you will admit it is not Palestine that did it, right? (Just making sure your "logic" is consistent.)
Nope... The Palestinians are ruled by Hamas. If Hamas agrees to a cease fire, then it is their responsibility to ensure that no rockets are launched from the territory they control. Pakistan has made no such deal, and it is common knowledge that the Pakistani government has never had any control of the tribal regions.

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Nope... The Palestinians are ruled by Hamas. If Hamas agrees to a cease fire, then it is their responsibility to ensure that no rockets are launched from the territory they control. Pakistan has made no such deal, and it is common knowledge that the Pakistani government has never had any control of the tribal regions.

Apples and oranges Ann.
Sorry, no. You are stating that Pakistan is not responsible for what happens in their border, but Palestine is. You are, as always, intellectually dishonest.

Just pointing it out for the lurkers. Hi lurkers!
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Sorry, no. You are stating that Pakistan is not responsible for what happens in their border, but Palestine is. You are, as always, intellectually dishonest.

Just pointing it out for the lurkers. Hi lurkers!
No dishonesty here dear... Pakistan is an American allie in the war on terror. That is precisely the reason we haven't gone in there and wiped out those barbarians, because it would threaten the stability of Pakistan.

If Pakistan was not our allie, and the Pakistani government agreed to a cease fire, then they would be held responsible for those attacks.

I just love how you people on the left defend terrorist organizations like Hamas. You will use any tactic you can to excuse their murder.
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No dishonesty here dear... Pakistan is an American allie in the war on terror. That is precisely the reason we haven't gone in there and wiped out those barbarians, because it would threaten the stability of Pakistan.

If Pakistan was not our allie, and the Pakistani government agreed to a cease fire, then they would be held responsible for those attacks.

I just love how you people on the left defend terrorist organizations like Hamas. You will use any tactic you can to excuse their murder.
There you go, lying again. Please point out the posts where I have supported or defended Hamas and other terrorist organizations. You can't because I don't. I just like pointing out your continuing hypocrisy and lies. It is akin to shooting fish in a barrel, they are that plentiful.

I know, we do not "go after" our ally (that is how you spell the word). That is why when 9/11 happened, instead of going after the country from which most of the suicide attackers came from, the administration shifted attention to Saddam and Iraq.

Again, to the lurkers, I will just note your double standards Grim. I know they are smart enough to see them.
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There you go, lying again. Please point out the posts where I have supported or defended Hamas and other terrorist organizations. You can't because I don't. I just like pointing out your continuing hypocrisy and lies. It is akin to shooting fish in a barrel, they are that plentiful.
I'm sorry... I must have misunderstood you.

So I take it, that should any rockets get fired into Israel by the Palestinians, you would hold Hamas responsible for that?

If that's the case, then I retract my statement and apologize.
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I'm sorry... I must have misunderstood you.

So I take it, that should any rockets get fired into Israel by the Palestinians, you would hold Hamas responsible for that?

If that's the case, then I retract my statement and apologize.
Depends upon whether Hamas was responsible. Just like I would not hold all Catholics responsible for the abortion bombings or Pakistan responsible if a radical attacked another country. Circumstances matter.
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Hamas governs the palistinian territories. If Hamas agrees to a cease fire, then they are responsible if a rocket is fired at Israel from their land.

If a suicide attack occurs, then it's possible that Hamas may not be responsible.

Would you agree with that Ann?
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