I disagree. Once hostilities begin between Pakistan and Afghanistan it will spill over into Iraq. Don't forget that the Taliban stand ready to align themselves with Pakistan and against the American backed Afghanistan government.

The Iraqi government has already expressed their feelings on this matter and they want us to leave. They do not like being treated as a "sovereign" colony of the USA. Once we are gone it's just a matter of time before they turn on the Sunni and then the Kurds. The longer we stay, the greater the chance that we are once again caught up in the middle of a civil war.

Hahahahaha....I could care less.

In many ways he is or at least his policies are. Four more years of Bush's failed and incompetent policies are the same thing as four more years of Bush. In fact Bush is trying very hard to force the next president to continue with his abysmal stay the course by binding them with long term treaties. A very stupid policy considering the powder keg Iraq has turned into...

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Say what? It makes a huge difference. If it's the Pakistani army, then that is a precursor to war between the two countries. If it is tribal forces, that's merely an extension of the war on terrorism and doesn't have implications of a war between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

So am I to understand that you don't know who it is, that's actually doing the shelling?



If that is true, then there is nothing to be discussed. But I haven't seen any official proclamation from the Iraqi government on this, and until I do, I will assume the matter is still being debated.

I know you could care less. That is a predominant theme with Bush bashers like you...

You don't care about gas prices, You just hate Bush.
You don't care about the economy, You just hate Bush.
You don't care about a candidates qualifications, You just hate Bush.
You don't care about a candidates association with racists, You just hate Bush.
In other words, You don't care about what happens to America, You just hate Bush.


There wasn't a legitimate republican candidate in the primaries that differed more with George Bush's policies than John McCain. That's why the NY Times and the rest of the liberal media endorsed McCain over all the other candidates.

Please note, that I said "legitimate" candidate. So no Ron Paul comparisons please... He was a fricking joke.

"The reason Iraq is about to explode is because of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. In very simple terms, Bush's invasion of Iraq has destabilized the entire region."

To be precise, Iraq was formed by the British drawing up national boundaries right after WWI. The put several sects and ethnic groups together that had been in conflict for hundreds of years. By any real standard, Iraq has never been stable. Kurds are regaurded by the Sunni to be of a different ethnic group. There way of practicing Islam is very different from the Sunni Muslims. So they have been an ethnic minority that has been looked down upon for centuries. When Shia Muslims split from Sunnis Muslims to recogize other members of Muhammed's family as prophets, it was declared blasphemy by Sunni clerics. Then within the group we lump together as Shia Iraqis there are those that are loyal to the Iraqi religious leader, al Sistani, and others that are loyal to the Iranian religious leader, al Khoumeni.

Saddam ruthlessly suppressed these divisions and conflicts. And we have destabilized this tenuous status quo.

And the point needs to be made that our relationship since the Shah of Iran in the mideast has been defined by interventionism. That is what I mean by rethinking our relationship with the ME. I think we had a right to go after the people responsible for 9/11. That was our original mission. And we have drifted from that mission into a generalized neo con scheme to remake the entire ME.

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UPDATE:

So it wasn't the Pakistani military, it was Islamic militants. I suspected as much when you said it didn't matter.

Kind of punches holes in you statement "And now Pakistan and Afghanistan want to go to war with each other". Well, not punches holes in it, but exposes it as yet another in a very long line of bullsh!t lies by the Bush bashing liberal left.

Don't you people ever get tired of having to constantly lie to prop up your hate filled ideology? No need to answer that, because the fact you continue to do it is answer enough.

First of all, Pakistan and Afghanistan will not go to war.

Turkey will not invade Iraq and take the oilfeilds unless it wants to go to war and the PKK incident is unrelated.

Iran will never try to invade Iraq with international force already against them.

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That just shows how little you know about the area.

Pakistan signs peace deal with pro-Taliban militants | csmonitor.com

In a move that some say appears 'a total capitulation' to pro-Taliban forces, Pakistan signed a peace deal with tribal leaders in the North Waziristan region of Pakistan Tuesday, and is withdrawing military forces in exchange for promises that militant tribal groups there will not engage in terrorist activities.

So am I to understand that you don't know it makes no difference?

Again, are you saying that you don't know what's going on in Iraq?

Majority of Iraqi Lawmakers Now Reject Occupation | War on Iraq | AlterNet

On Tuesday, without note in the U.S. media, more than half of the members of Iraq's parliament rejected the continuing occupation of their country. 144 lawmakers signed onto a legislative petition calling on the United States to set a timetable for withdrawal, according to Nassar Al-Rubaie, a spokesman for the Al Sadr movement, the nationalist Shia group that sponsored the petition.

This is just becoming silly...it's not my fault you haven't a clue...

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First, before we invaded Iraq the Kurds were bottled up and the Kurds, Turkey and Iran didn't have a shot at Iraq's Northern Oil Fields. Once we invaded that has all changed.

Second, if our original mission was retaliation for 9/11 then what the heck are we doing in Iraq.

Third, since when has it been the policy of the USA to "spread" or more aptly "force feed" democracy throughout the world?

Doesn't matter how we slice and dice this, upon invading Iraq we've destabilized the entire region. Sadly the truth is that if we pulled out today tomorrow the entire region would probably erupt in warfare.

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Wheeee.....I'm glad you decided that...for a moment I was worried....

Hahahahahahaha....you have that backwards, Turkey wants to go to war with the Kurds and push them out of Eastern Turkey and while they are doing that it means out of Northern Iraq as well.

Hahahahahahaha....Iran has already tried to invade Iraq....

Thanks for sharing...

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Hey, Affrayer...don't be so mean! Yuk, yuk.

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But I was told Pakistan and Afghanistan won't go to war. Told! I must be walking amongst the giants....

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