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Old 06-12-2008, 04:28 AM
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The Raw Story | Kucinich presents Bush impeachment articles

Thirty-five articles were presented by Rep. Dennis Kucinich to the House of Representatives late Monday evening, airing live on C-SPAN.

"The House is not in order," said Kucinich to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), upon which Pelosi pounded her gavel.

"Resolved," Kucinich then began, "that President George W. Bush be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate. ...

"In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and to the best of his ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the following abuses of power..."

The first article Kucinich presented, and many that followed, regarded the war in Iraq: "Article 1 - Creating a secret propaganda campaign to manufacture a false case for war against Iraq."
What could be better in an election season. Are the democrats trying to kill off the republicans? 35 impeachment counts sent to the Senate would pretty much bury Bush.

I say go for it...let every future president know that what Bush did is wrong and that they won't get away with it.
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I never voted for Bush either. Yes, and I was appalled when the first statement from Pelosi in taking over party leadership in congress was impeachment was off of the table.

If not impeachment, I would like to see some type of pagan ritual where all of the liars are assembled in order to basically EAT THEIR PROPAGANDA WORDS in public. All of those statements such as "the Iraqis will throw flowers at our feet" or "it will be a cakewalk" or "Iraqi oil will pay for the invasion" or "it should only take a couple of months" or "you go to war with the army you have" could be brought back to haunt them.

In the excellent documentary, "Why We Fight" there is video coverage of a cabinet meeting with Paul Wolfowitz, the Assistant Secretary of Defense under Donald Rumsfeld, with absolutely no military training or experience was lecturing the entire room about how easy the invasion would be.

What's wrong with that picture? For starters, I could pick out dozens of neo cons from the PNAC think tank, including Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc...

Bush is the front guy with name recognition and the designated target for public wrath. But let's not forget about the real president, Dick Cheney, the number one big fat liar.

If we were going to do the right thing, it would be start where Kucinth did on Cheney's impeachment. Otherwise the number one reason not to impeach Bush would boil down to two words - President Cheney.
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If we were going to do the right thing, it would be start where Kucinth did on Cheney's impeachment. Otherwise the number one reason not to impeach Bush would boil down to two words - President Cheney.
If they time it just right, Cheney would be president for a day. Maybe less...but you do have a point. I think Bush's father picked Dan Quayle for the exact same reason but the other end of the spectrum. Still something must be done less the next republican president in 2012 thinks they have Carte Blanche like Bush has.
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If they time it just right, Cheney would be president for a day. Maybe less...but you do have a point. I think Bush's father picked Dan Quayle for the exact same reason but the other end of the spectrum. Still something must be done less the next republican president in 2012 thinks they have Carte Blanche like Bush has.
I remember the day when the TV interrupted the program to announce that BushI had been taken to the hospital. There was speculation at the time about a possible heart attack (turned out to be a thyroid problem).

My husband looked at each other, and said at the same time, "Oh, no! [President] Quayle!"
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This won't amount to jack squat. The horrible impeachment of Clinton by the GOP has made the very real use of impeachment into a political ploy aimed at harming the other side, and voters know it. Regardless of the veracity of the charges against Bush (like Clinton), the Democrats will side with the GOP in voting against these articles so that they don't appear petty right before an electionc cycle that is their's to lose.

My prediction: The articles will go nowhere, and are already fading from memory. Hell, the national media barely covered this story because they knew nobody would care.
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This won't amount to jack squat.
Then why are you so upset?

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The horrible impeachment of Clinton by the GOP has made the very real use of impeachment into a political ploy aimed at harming the other side, and voters know it.
I think the voters can tell the difference between what the republicans did to Clinton and the real crimes Bush has committed.

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Regardless of the veracity of the charges against Bush (like Clinton), the Democrats will side with the GOP in voting against these articles so that they don't appear petty right before an electionc cycle that is their's to lose.
I think you have a problem with your values if you think the fraudulent case the republicans brought against Clinton is on par with the real crimes Bush has committed.

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My prediction: The articles will go nowhere, and are already fading from memory.
Four of the last five polls recently done have Bush below 30% in Approval. I think your opinion of Bush is highly inflated.

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Hell, the national media barely covered this story because they knew nobody would care.
You have a point that the mainstream media didn't bother to cover this but it's because they are a bunch of political whores and not because people don't care.
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Then why are you so upset?



I think the voters can tell the difference between what the republicans did to Clinton and the real crimes Bush has committed.



I think you have a problem with your values if you think the fraudulent case the republicans brought against Clinton is on par with the real crimes Bush has committed.



Four of the last five polls recently done have Bush below 30% in Approval. I think your opinion of Bush is highly inflated.



You have a point that the mainstream media didn't bother to cover this but it's because they are a bunch of political whores and not because people don't care.

All that being said If They actually impeach bush I will eat my hard drive.

The question is not weather they should the question is weather they will.
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Then why are you so upset?
I'm not. I just don't see Bush being impeached now or any other time in the next six months.


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Some voters still think Saddam Huissein played a part in 9/11 and believe Barack Obama is a muslim. The American electorate is one of the most ill-informed in the world. Any serious impeachment process would fail miserably given the propensity of Americans to want "bi-partisanship"....provided its the otherside doing the compromising.


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I think you have a problem with your values if you think the fraudulent case the republicans brought against Clinton is on par with the real crimes Bush has committed.
Bill Clinton comitted perjury and deserved impeachment. His crimes aren't anywhere near on par with the current problem in the Oval Office, but don't act like Clinton was a saint.


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I could not possibly dislike Bush more. In fact, my disdain for the president is likely more well-founded than yours (primarily because I don't base much of it on emotion), but that's got nothing to do with the probability of a successful impeachment. You can suck at being a president (like Jimmy Carter or HW Bush) and still find yourself president for the duration of your term. These articles are going NOWHERE.


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They play for ratings man. If people were interested in substantive policy and meaningful discussion, do you really think John McCain would be the presumptive GOP nominee? People want soundbites and emotional outcries that appeal to the gut, not the mind. Notice how nobody bothers to go into detail regarding Obama's "plan" for universal health care (he doesn't have one)?
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All that being said If They actually impeach bush I will eat my hard drive.
It would surprise me as well.

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If they don't they would be sending a clear signal that the president is emperor. That the president is not only above the law but they are the law.
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I'm not. I just don't see Bush being impeached now or any other time in the next six months.
Once the House votes to investigates I don't see how impeachment can be avoided.

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Some voters still think Saddam Huissein played a part in 9/11 and believe Barack Obama is a muslim.
No kidding. I watched on MSNBC where they claimed that just because Saddam was a bad person was justification to go to war with Iraq. Hell, almost half the voters voted for Bush, isn't that proof enough that stupid people can vote?

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The American electorate is one of the most ill-informed in the world.
Yes, freedom of speech is really about the freedom to tell lies. Clinton told a lie about his sexual affairs, Bush told lies about Iraq, the economy and everything else. No one is calling Bush on those lies. In fact the forth estate seems to be getting behind those lies.

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Any serious impeachment process would fail miserably given the propensity of Americans to want "bi-partisanship"....provided its the otherside doing the compromising.
Why don't you just say her name, Pelosi. And no, it's the democratic leadership that wants bi-partisan ship. Leaders like Dashel and Ghephart. Even Obama is deluded in this respect as well...

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Bill Clinton comitted perjury and deserved impeachment.
Nope, Clinton didn't commit perjury. You are victim of the same propaganda that you are complaining about. You are misinformed.

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You can suck at being a president (like Jimmy Carter or HW Bush) and still find yourself president for the duration of your term. These articles are going NOWHERE.
First I disagree that either Carter or Bush sr committed impeachable offenses. Second, being a bad president is not grounds for impeachment. Third, Bush committed real crimes in the sense he engaged the country in war based on known false premises.

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They play for ratings man.
Not true. If the democrats wanted to make a clean sweep of the 2008 election they use such investigations to throw all republicans out of office.

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If people were interested in substantive policy and meaningful discussion, do you really think John McCain would be the presumptive GOP nominee?
If you're saying people want a show then what better show is there than an impeachment?

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People want soundbites and emotional outcries that appeal to the gut, not the mind. Notice how nobody bothers to go into detail regarding Obama's "plan" for universal health care (he doesn't have one)?
Then let's impeach....nothing makes a better sound bit than an impeachment.
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