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Old 06-04-2008, 03:38 AM
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Arrow Hillary Could Be Obama's VP - Like it or not

Can Barack be stuck with Hillary as his VP nominee even though he may not want to? Is it possible? This is my basic understanding of how it works. It's the party's nominating convention that chooses the VP nominee, and they decide in the same manner that they do the party's Presidential nominee. Even though Obama has a say in it, he may not have the final word. I may be wrong, but the facts say I'm not. Comments?
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The vice presidential candidates of the major national political parties are formally selected by each party's quadrennial nominating convention, following the selection of their presidential candidates. The official process is identical to the one by which the presidential candidates are chosen, with delegates placing the names of candidates into nomination, followed by a ballot in which candidates must receive a majority to secure the party's nomination. In practice, the presidential nominee has considerable influence on the decision, and in 20th century it became customary for that person to select a preferred running mate, who is then nominated and accepted by the convention. In recent years, with the presidential nomination usually being a foregone conclusion as the result of the primary process, the selection of a vice presidential candidate is often announced prior to the actual balloting for the presidential candidate, and sometimes before the beginning of the convention itself. Often, the presidential nominee will name a vice presidential candidate who will bring geographic or ideological balance to the ticket or appeal to a particular constituency. The vice presidential candidate might also be chosen on the basis of traits the presidential candidate is perceived to lack, or on the basis of name recognition. Popular runners-up in the presidential nomination process are commonly considered, to foster party unity.

The last presidential candidate to not name a vice presidential choice, leaving the matter up to the convention, was Democrat Adlai Stevenson in 1956. The convention chose Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver over Massachusetts Senator (and later president) John F. Kennedy. At the tumultuous 1972 Democratic convention, presidential nominee George McGovern selected Senator Thomas Eagleton as his running mate, but numerous other candidates were either nominated from the floor or received votes during the balloting. Eagleton nevertheless received a majority of the votes and the nomination.
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Old 06-04-2008, 03:57 AM
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It is the choice of the nominee. I don't see how Obama and Clinton could ever work together as a team after some of her campaign cheap shots.
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It is the choice of the nominee.
Not according to the posted facts. Obama may have a say in who he prefers, but the final decision rests on the party's nominating convention:
"The vice presidential candidates of the major national political parties are formally selected by each party's quadrennial nominating convention, following the selection of their presidential candidates. The official process is identical to the one by which the presidential candidates are chosen, with delegates placing the names of candidates into nomination, followed by a ballot in which candidates must receive a majority to secure the party's nomination."
Following the selection process, it would not be Obama's choice.

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I love it when you constantly reveal the little you know.
Donna Brazile, Gore's ex-campaign manager, superdelegate, a member of the DNC rules committee, and CNN pundit extraordinaire, repeatedly said the decision was Obama's to make, and Obama "alone". She would be "toast" for putting out false information, which she would have been immediately challenged on, so I believe her...not the nonsense you're posting. Just a glutton for attention, and a purveyor of misinformation, aren't you?
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:13 AM
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Erm... yea. AD, do you really believe that McCain and Obama will not choose their own running mate? And don't give me "But... wikipedia told me so!" bs.
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I love it when you constantly reveal the little you know.
Donna Brazile, Gore's ex-campaign manager, superdelegate, a member of the DNC rules committee, and CNN pundit extraordinaire, repeatedly said the decision was Obama's to make, and Obama "alone". She would be "toast" for putting out false information, which she would have been immediately challenged on, so I believe her...not the nonsense you're posting. Just a glutton for attention, and a purveyor of misinformation, aren't you?
that is not entirely true. in theory he should be able to choose, but the dnc could effectively force him to accept hillary

personally i dont see why he doesnt want her. it would be a very difficult team to beat
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that is not entirely true. in theory he should be able to choose, but the dnc could effectively force him to accept hillary

personally i dont see why he doesnt want her. it would be a very difficult team to beat
the DNC would never infringe on his right to select his own running mate...he is the de facto head of the Democratic Party, with rights and privileges associated with that esteemed position. What do you suppose one of the rights is?
Hillary is toxic and a poison...and has, in fact, created a wedge with her commentary and her defiant stance.
One of her supporters may get a nod for the VP position, but Obama is not going to respond to gunboat diplomacy. She's toast.
Can you imagine her and Bill in the WH? Obama wouldn't be able to effectively "govern", with her and Bill stealing the scene at every opportunity....impersonating "Cheney". I ain't drinking that kool aid.

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Old 06-04-2008, 11:32 AM
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So then McCain has no choice in who he runs with?
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So then McCain has no choice in who he runs with?
McCain can choose who he prefers, but the RNC would have the final word on it. The party conventions do what is in the best interest of the party. They chhose the party's VP nominee in the same manner that they choose the party's Presidential nominee. The Constitution also has an Ammendment. I am reading up on it now.

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Old 06-04-2008, 11:42 AM
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Please post your source that says that the RNC or DNC can change a presidential candidate's pick for VP.
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