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Old 06-03-2008, 04:12 PM
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Default End near for McCains if this is true

As soon as the media starts pounding McCain and his wife on the Keating five scandal, they will be through in politics. It is rumored that the McCains never did pay back the money they helped to swindle from the S&Ls. And how did Cindy escape federal prosecution? Lets ask John, but bring a baseball bat to protect yourself from this addicted maniac.

Reports from a variety of U.S. publications exposed McCain's true scandalous character

The Arizona Republic - October 17, 1989" . . . both in telephone conversations with reporters and on a live radio talk show, the Republican senator was far from calm. He was agitated. Angry. And the way he dealt with unpleasant questions was to bully the questioners . . . 'You're a liar,' McCain snapped Sept. 29 when an Arizona Republic reporter asked him about business ties between his wife, Cindy McCain, and Keating . . . 'That's the spouse's involvement, you idiot,' McCain sneered later in the same conversation. 'You do understand English, don't you?' ". . . Not content with just bullying reporters, McCain tried belittling them: 'It's up to you to find that out, kids.' . . . McCain wasn't talking to liars. He wasn't talking to juveniles. The senator was talking to two reporters."

The Arizona Republic - October 17, 1989 -- "McCain, in a radio talk-show appearance last week condemned disclosures of his family's ties to Keating as 'irresponsible journalism.'"

The Phoenix Gazette, November 13, 1989 -- "Reporters also 'discovered' that the senator's wife and father-in-law invested $359,100.00 in one of Mr. Keating's projects in 1986 . . ."

The Arizona Republic, April 29, 1990 -- "McCain's involvement with Keating . . . when reporters called him with questions last year about previously unknown ties to Keating, an investment by wife Cindy McCain in a Keating shopping center and trips to Keating's Bahamas home, McCain went into a rage."

New Republic, Dec. 31, 1990--"The only Republican of the bunch [the five Senators], John McCain of Arizona wins credit for finally drawing the line. After the second of the two April meetings [with Federal regulators] he told Mr. [Sen. Dennis] DeConcini [D-Ariz.] and Mr. Keating that he wouldn't lean on the regulators any more. Mr. Keating called him a wimp. But before the rupture, Mr. McCain and his family were regular guests of Mr. Keating's on trips to the Bahamas. Mr. McCain reimbursed the owner of Lincoln Savings and Loan for only a small fraction of the cost of these holidays. Yet, he never reported the vacations on Senate disclosure forms, or his income taxes. He said he thought his wife had paid Mr. Keating back. This is hard to believe."

Economist, Mar. 9, 1991--"Mr. McCain, despite his claims of innocense, was the only one of the five who benefitted personally--family holidays in the Bahamas on Mr. Keating's tab."

New Republic, Sept. 9, 1991--Calling McCain part of the "Senatorial Lincoln Brigade," the New Republic reported that Keating, while bankrupting his savings and loan, had channeled $1.4 million to the campaigns or causes of the five senators, who in turn pressured the savings and loan regulators to back off our friend."

Regardie's magazine, April-May 1992 issue. "Ultimately, the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan will cost the U.S. taxpayers $2 billion. It lost $1 million dollars a day from the time Keating bought it in 1984 until its collapse in 1989, and yet he continued to pay off McCain as 'one of his assets.'"

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The K-5 happened so long ago any more "pounding" on it is just going to make the pounders look like bafoons.
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So just becuase the crime is old your saying it doesn't mean anything?

Lets just say for the sake of argument that Obamas wife said Whitey 20 years ago.

Are you going to give her the same pass?
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So just becuase the crime is old your saying it doesn't mean anything?

Lets just say for the sake of argument that Obamas wife said Whitey 20 years ago.

Are you going to give her the same pass?
Yes I am, if she said "whitey" 10 days ago, I'm going to give her a pass. The vote is for Barack, not his wife.
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The thing is, that this topic was pounded and reported to death back when it happened, there is nothing new about it.
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I agree with what you say but I don't think that many on the right will have the same mind set.

And as long as they see fit to bring up old news and call it a test of character I see no reason why McCain's proven character issues should be ignored just becuase they happened a while ago.

They seem to think that his Vietnam experience gives him credit and that happened long before the keating five.
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You're gonna pay for what you did 20 years ago, McCain...

We're in a lynching mood and you're gonna pay...



Even though you weren't convicted, it don't matter...

We're in a lynching mood and your gonna pay.

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So just becuase the crime is old your saying it doesn't mean anything?

Lets just say for the sake of argument that Obamas wife said Whitey 20 years ago.

Are you going to give her the same pass?
I will... Even if Obama himself said it 20 years ago, I don't feel it is relevant today.

I do consider extenuating circumstances when evaluating the words and acts of people in their youth or many years ago.

Here's what I mean.

Twenty years ago, the racial tension was far greater, and discrimination far more widespread than it is today. If both Obama and his wife made "Whitey" comments back then, I think they should both get a pass considering what they had to deal with growing up. That pass doesn't apply if they were said since Obama entered politics, because they have grown up. To say such things now (or in the recent past) reflects how they view the world today, as adults.

That is also the reason I give McCain a pass on the alleged "Gook" comments, because of what he went through in his past as a POW.

Nothing is set in stone. There are always circumstances to consider when evaluating a persons past, and I always take them into account.
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Just because it is old, is no reason to ignore it, but this topic has been discussed to ribbons when he was running for senate back in 1791. There are no new angles on it. It was thrown against him when he ran for re-election and he won, that shows that the voters don't care about it all that much.
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The K-5 happened so long ago any more "pounding" on it is just going to make the pounders look like bafoons.
So whoever is pounding on it is a bafoon?
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