Cops are here to protect you - Page 5 - Political Fever

diuretic · #41 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumara

I've seen this phrase on a lot of police cars and always thought it would be more accurate if it said "To Harass and Fine."

How about if it said, "Insert the usual PR bull**** here"?

diuretic · #42 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mwillman

I am of two minds when it comes to the police.

On one side I recognize the need and good work that is done by police every day.

On the other side I do think that years of only working with mostly the scum of the earth
does create a bad mind set in many police and that in turn creates a lot of the problems.

Its a hard balance and it leads to a lot of issues but I don't see anyway other then to continue to attempt to learn from those mistakes. No police really isn't a good option so what we have now as bad as it can be is really the best option. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be on constant vigil for abuses of power and bad group think patterns. It doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to find a better system for policing our society.

We need to fix the problems with our legal system in general the police are just one aspect of a much bigger problem.

The prevailing idea at the moment is that it takes about 18 months before the alienation sets in for a police officer. They're bright eyed and bushy-tailed and highly principled straight out of recruiting training and then for, as I say, about 18 months and then the sense of isolation and social alienation kicks in. That's when they start seeing ordinary people as problems and believing that the only people they can trust are other cops. It becomes a vicious circle.

I have to agree with the point about the cj system. Same happens here. It needs a revamp away from the common law adversarial system and to adopt some of the practises of European civil law such as in the French system where serious crime investigations are supervised by an examining magistrate.

mwillman · #43 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 06:18 PM

I worked as a Security Guard to help pay my way through college and
the police were a big help on more then one occasion.
I do think that they protect and serve but I also think they could do it better.
My main issue with police is when they start seeing everyone as a criminal.

Its like an old friend of mine who was a fifth grade teacher.
She was a very sweet lady but some times she would start talking to her adult friends like they were in the fifth grade and it could get annoying. Fortunately, She worked hard to keep her job from effecting how she talked to people and that is something more police need to learn.

Oregon Elephant · #44 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 06:19 PM

They should make officers work community service with charities or something, that way they can frequently interact with good people rather than criminals all the time. That might help keep them from getting in the mind frame that everyone is a criminal (for those that have that mind frame).

Jarlaxle · #45 (**permalink**) 06-02-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

So you had a few bad incidents with crappy police officers and so use that to justify being biased against all of them (or at least 90-95%)? Wow, that's how most people are racist or sexist, one person does something horrible to them and so they blame everyone of that gender or that ethnicity, or wearing that uniform.

No, I was pulled over driving wreckers about 4x/wek for two-plus years for no reason other than harassment. I was pulled over for no reason, I was blatantly lied to whern I asked why (one cop told me he clocked me at 72MPH in a rollback wrecker...I was going about 60, the truck was not capable of 72MPH). I had equipment stolen. This was all the drivers, not just me.

Space_Coyote · #46 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by leviathon435

To Chan, Space and Lumara: I fully realise what you're saying, but the point of democracy is that we confer power to the people, who give it out as they wish to representatives, we may not like the results but I don't think democracy is wrong. We can make rules about human rights that no governmnet can break, or even have a written constitution, but I think the government should be allowed to protect its citizens even if that is from their own stupidity. Just because I believe this does not however mean I agree with any or all of the actions of any government necessarily, I can have views on what the government should do with its power.

So you acknowledge that a government is restrained in its scope by a constitution (if formed under a Constition), good, but why should a government protect people from themselves? Children I can understand, they don't know any better than to build a make-shift ramp out of wood and pedal their bikes full speed into a splintery death trap. Adults are supposed to know better, and if they don't, they deserve what's coming to them. Smoke crack, you will almost certainly become an addict, lose your teeth, and end up homeless. Kids don't know this, Adults do, hence the difference.

If an Adult doesn't know that his seatbelt will save his life if involved in a car crash, and dies as a result, that is not a tragedy, that's the gene pool being chlorinated.

diuretic · #47 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

They should make officers work community service with charities or something, that way they can frequently interact with good people rather than criminals all the time. That might help keep them from getting in the mind frame that everyone is a criminal (for those that have that mind frame).

That's a good idea, I don't know how practical it would be but it makes sense. Job rotation would be good too. Some cops spend too many years on the street and lose perspective, they become very good at street work but as has been pointed out in the thread, they do suffer severe alienation.

Finny · #48 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Space_Coyote

If an Adult doesn't know that his seatbelt will save his life if involved in a car crash, and dies as a result, that is not a tragedy, that's the gene pool being chlorinated.

LMAO.. Survival of the Fittest..

leviathon435 · #49 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Space_Coyote

So you acknowledge that a government is restrained in its scope by a constitution (if formed under a Constition), good, but why should a government protect people from themselves? Children I can understand, they don't know any better than to build a make-shift ramp out of wood and pedal their bikes full speed into a splintery death trap. Adults are supposed to know better, and if they don't, they deserve what's coming to them. Smoke crack, you will almost certainly become an addict, lose your teeth, and end up homeless. Kids don't know this, Adults do, hence the difference.

If an Adult doesn't know that his seatbelt will save his life if involved in a car crash, and dies as a result, that is not a tragedy, that's the gene pool being chlorinated.

I disagree that adults necessarily do know what's always in their best interests a fact that we must surely both agree on. The difference is that I believe these people should be guided and helped, by the law if needed, most of us know to put on a seatbelt so the only people that lose any liberty from a law saying you must are the people who wouldn't normally wear a seatbelt. Most of us know drugs are bad for your health, so the only people who lose any liberty from a law banning some are those who don't otherwise realise that.

diuretic · #50 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Finny

LMAO.. Survival of the Fittest..

And the termination of the fastest

Just remember that old saying.

There are old pilots.

And there are bold pilots.

But there are no old, bold pilots....

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