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06-02-2008, 02:52 PM
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"Bring me that horizon". 
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06-02-2008, 03:33 PM
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Trust me, I'm a socialist!  There's power in a factory,power in the land, power in the hand of the worker. But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand, there is power in a union. The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union. Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg
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06-02-2008, 03:54 PM
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But what if my elected representatives aren't representing me? What then? And who decides what is good for me? Shouldn't I be the one to decide that? I haven't willingly granted that right to another individual, let alone the state.
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 "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time." 
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06-02-2008, 04:09 PM
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"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on who to eat for dinner."
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06-02-2008, 04:13 PM
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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder. "I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
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06-02-2008, 04:20 PM
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I am of two minds when it comes to the police.
On one side I recognize the need and good work that is done by police every day. On the other side I do think that years of only working with mostly the scum of the earth does create a bad mind set in many police and that in turn creates a lot of the problems. Its a hard balance and it leads to a lot of issues but I don't see anyway other then to continue to attempt to learn from those mistakes. No police really isn't a good option so what we have now as bad as it can be is really the best option. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be on constant vigil for abuses of power and bad group think patterns. It doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to find a better system for policing our society. We need to fix the problems with our legal system in general the police are just one aspect of a much bigger problem.
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06-02-2008, 05:55 PM
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To Chan, Space and Lumara: I fully realise what you're saying, but the point of democracy is that we confer power to the people, who give it out as they wish to representatives, we may not like the results but I don't think democracy is wrong. We can make rules about human rights that no governmnet can break, or even have a written constitution, but I think the government should be allowed to protect its citizens even if that is from their own stupidity. Just because I believe this does not however mean I agree with any or all of the actions of any government necessarily, I can have views on what the government should do with its power.
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Trust me, I'm a socialist! There's power in a factory,power in the land, power in the hand of the worker. But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand, there is power in a union. The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union. Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg
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06-02-2008, 06:06 PM
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06-02-2008, 06:07 PM
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06-02-2008, 06:09 PM
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I agree with you about the automatic weapons. Not necessary for general duties police and certainly not for the traffic cop on the motorcycle. I think it's a sign that militarism isn't just an official policy, I suspect it's strong in the informal culture as well.
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