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Default Another Trinity embarrassment for Obama

Here is the latest sermon delivered at Obama's church, from a man that Obama has publicly stated to be his pal.

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I think that the first pastor speaking is Otis Moss III, Rev. Wright's replacement. It's nice to see the COMPLETE sermon posted so you can take everything that is being said in context. I see that this service has the same vibe as it did pre-Moss. Is this common for Cristian churches, or is this an exception? I only ask this because I have not been to a Christian service is decades.
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For some reason it only happens to be this Christian church.

And do they always tapes the controversial sermons at this church and never any other ones?
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For some reason it only happens to be this Christian church.

And do they always tapes the controversial sermons at this church and never any other ones?
It's hard to believe that it would only be at this church. I guess it's not a specific Christian church thing then. I am sure that others may have the same sentiments that these Pastors preach. I've just never personally experienced a service like what I've seen at Trinity. Now that we can see the COMPLETE sermon, then it has much more impact for me. Listening to it is much different than seeing it.
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Is Trinity tax exempt?
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Is Trinity tax exempt?
In other words, do our taxes indirectly subsidize this ministry?
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In other words, do our taxes indirectly subsidize this ministry?

No, if Trinity is tax exempt, it is "not" permissible to indulge in politics.
Indulging in politics is not illegal unless you proclaim exempt status.
Almost all churches pay no taxes and refrain from influencing congregations politically.
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No, if Trinity is tax exempt, it is "not" permissible to indulge in politics.
Indulging in politics is not illegal unless you proclaim exempt status.
Almost all churches pay no taxes and refrain from influencing congregations politically.
What constitutes "indulging in politics?"
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What constitutes "indulging in politics?"
Very good question. Maybe by proclaiming that the US government planted AIDS in the community may be one example for starters (paraphrasing). That seems like it's "indulging in politics", since it's referring to our government and "AIDS" has been politcized. There are more I'd imagine...

I'll compile my list and post it when I return from choir practice tonight (if you know what I mean)
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Here's a section from a sermon that was given at the Trinity United Church of Christ that I consider "Indulging in politics". The remainder of the sermon is linked:
We took this country, by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arrowak (phonetic) the Comanche, the Arapajo, the Navajo. Terrorism--we took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism. We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians -- babies, non-military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with Stealth Bombers and killed unarmed teenagers, and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working father. [fullest voice] We bombed Khadafi, his home and killed his child. Blessed be they who bash your children's head agains the rocks.

We bombed Iraq, we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed the plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy -- killed hundreds of hard working people --mothers and fathers, who left home to go that day, not knowing they'd never get back home. [Even fuller voice] We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school -- civilians not soldiers. People just trying to make it day by day. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and South Africa and now we are indignant? Because the stuff we have done overseas is brought back into our own front yard." -Jeramiah Wright, Trinity United Church of Christ , Post 9-11

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Whether what is being said is accurate, that is not the point. It is the fact that he is "indulging in politics", being that the political message was being heard and absorbed by the church's congregation.
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