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Hmm, there seems to be some disagreement as to "who" lied. Maybe Cheney would like to come to court and testify about who did what.

Here is a page that goes quote by qoute of what was said.

The So-called “Lies” of Joe Wilson : NO QUARTER
This is of course off topic, but I will make a quick comment on the article you linked to.

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Several in the media also keep repeating as fact that Joe Wilson got it wrong on whether or not Iraq was buying uranium in Niger. Here is what Joe wrote in July 2003:
Wilson was right... Iraq hadn't bought uranium. Where Wilson lied, was when he said the presidents 16 words in his SOTU speech in 2003 was a lie, and it wasn't. The president said that Iraq had made attempts to purchase uranium, which Wilson's own report to the CIA confirmed. The administration never claimed that Iraq had purchased any uranium from Africa, just that it had made attempts to... Which is a clear violation of over a dozen UN resolutions as well as a violation of the cease fire agreement Saddam signed to end the first gulf war.
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Its not just a Republican thing.. Its both sides of the aisle.
I think you'd have a tough time comparing the duplicity of republicans to democrats.
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Don't you all agree, that this quote applies here?
Actually it doesn't. Clarke was running around the White House with his hair on fire according to Tenent. He tried everything to get people to change their minds and eventually was thrown out.
TomPaine.com - Rice's Lost Credibility

It is a matter of record that the post of White House counter-terrorism czar, then occupied by Richard Clarke, was downgraded by excluding this official from the National Security Council Deputies Committee, contrary to Rice’s assertion that Clarke was not demoted. Even the subject of terrorism was demoted—from the NSC Principals Committee to that of the deputies. It was Clarke who pressed for a strategic choice, and Rice who kicked the can down the road. She consigned this initiative to the bureaucratic wonderland of policy reviews, and further watered it down by dividing proposals among different reviews, no longer comprehensive in any meaningful sense.


June 25, 2001: Richard Clarke Tells Condoleezza Rice that Pattern of Warnings Indicates an Upcoming Attack

Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke warns National Security Adviser Rice and Assistant National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley that six separate intelligence reports show al-Qaeda personnel warning of a pending attack. These include a warning by al-Qaeda leaders that the next weeks “will witness important surprises” (see June 21, 2001) and a new recruitment video making further threats (see June 19, 2001). The 9/11 Commission will say that “Clarke [argues] that this [is] all too sophisticated to be merely a psychological operation to keep the United States on edge…” It is unclear how Rice and Hadley respond, but the CIA agrees with Clarke’s assessment. [Newsweek, 7/22/2001; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 257]

July 5, 2001: Clarke Warns Domestic Agencies of ‘Something Spectacular’ Planned by Al-Qaeda

At the request of National Security Adviser Rice and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke leads a meeting of the Counterterrorism Security Group, attended by officials from a dozen federal agencies, including the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), the FAA, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, Customs, the CIA, and the FBI. The CIA and FBI give briefings on the growing al-Qaeda threat. [Washington Post, 5/17/2002; Time, 8/4/2002; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 258] Then Clarke later recalls saying, “You’ve just heard that CIA thinks al-Qaeda is planning a major attack on us. So do I. You heard CIA say it would probably be in Israel or Saudi Arabia. Maybe. But maybe it will be here. Just because there is no evidence that says that it will be here, does not mean it will be overseas. They may try to hit us at home. You have to assume that is what they are going to do.” [Clarke, 2004, pp. 236] Two attendees later recall Clarke stating that “something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it’s going to happen soon.” One who attended the meeting later calls the evidence that “something spectacular” is being planned by al-Qaeda “very gripping.” [Washington Post, 5/17/2002; Time, 8/4/2002; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 256] Clarke directs every counterterrorist office to cancel vacations, defer non-vital travel, put off scheduled exercises, and place domestic rapid-response teams on much shorter alert. However, there is very poor follow up to the meeting and the attendees don’t share the warnings with their home agencies (see Shortly After July 5, 2001). By early August, all of these emergency measures are no longer in effect. [CNN, 3/2002; Washington Post, 5/17/2002]

July 6, 2001: Clarke Tells Rice to Warn Agencies to Prepare for 3 to 5 Simultaneous Attacks; No Apparent Response

Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke sends National Security Adviser Rice an e-mail message “outlining a number of steps agreed on” at the Counterterrorism Security Group meeting the day before (see July 5, 2001), “including efforts to examine the threat of weapons of mass destruction and possible attacks in Latin America. One senior administration official [says] Mr. Clarke [writes] that several agencies, including the FBI, the CIA, and the Pentagon, [have] been directed to develop what the official [says are] ‘detailed response plans in the event of three to five simultaneous attacks.’” However, no response or follow-up action has been pointed out. [New York Times, 4/4/2004]
Two completely different events. The only thing your event shows is that "maybe" McClellan was lied to by Rice as to what occurred....


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- National security adviser Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that administration records -- including former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke's own words and actions -- prove false his "scurrilous allegation that somehow the president of the United States was not attentive to the terrorist threat."
However it is widely recognized that Rice's testimony was all lies.
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I think you'd have a tough time comparing the duplicity of republicans to democrats.
Really? So your boy, Bill Clinton never circled the wagons to protect himself?
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The Raw Story | Dem congressman calls on McClellan to testify about book's revelations

Already getting grief from his former White House colleagues, former Bush spokesman Scott McClellan is now being asked to testify before Congress about the revelations contained in his scathing new memoir.

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL), a key Bush antagonist and member of the House Judiciary Committee, says McClellan needs to tell Congress the full story about potential White House conspiring around the leak of a CIA officer's name and propaganda efforts that preceded the invasion of Iraq.

Wexler released a statement Wednesday calling for McClellan to tesitfy under oath before the Judiciary committee.
This could prove problematic for the republicans, most of whom have refused to testify before Congress. However I find it delitious that people like Rove have to sit on the side lines while McClellan tears him a new anal sphincter. What's Rove going to do, violate executive privilege and testify? Skewered by his own pitard.
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Really? So your boy, Bill Clinton never circled the wagons to protect himself?
Why ask a question? If you think that's the case, prove it otherwise don't waste electronic pixels on mere speculation...
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Why ask a question? If you think that's the case, prove it otherwise don't waste electronic pixels on mere speculation...

It's called rhetorical question. I don't have to prove this. Most of us remember the late 90s.
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It's called rhetorical question. I don't have to prove this. Most of us remember the late 90s.
In that case, could your memory be flawed?
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McClellan was a day late and a dollar short. So is Richard Clarke.
It was obvious McClellan knew he was bull****ting the public with Bush lies and finally resigned. At least he had some decency. Similar to ex military commanders, they don't badmouth the admin or policy until they retire.

Richard Clarke is the brightest mind this country had in the way of intelligence and thats probably why he was forced out/quit. He would not follow or stand for the bull**** that was taking place in this admin. I would like to see him director of the CIA under Obama.
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In that case, could your memory be flawed?
Marc Rich and Roger Clinton ring a bell? How about the 16 FALN members and their pardons?
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