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Old 05-28-2008, 08:55 PM
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Just wanted to point out that since 2001, worldwide terrorist attacks have actually increased in number. So the War on Terror has really been a failure.
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Just wanted to point out that since 2001, worldwide terrorist attacks have actually increased in number. So the War on Terror has really been a failure.
Not true, and what is considered a "terrorist attack" may not actually be so. Shri Lanka and Iraq account for these attacks.

On the contrary though, worldwide countries have turned against terrorism and radical Islam in lots of countries that once supported it. On the whole, terrorism is making its last ditch efforts to show that they're still breathing, but theyre not going to last for very long I dont think.

Bin Laden holds only oral authority, he can make speeches but no ones going out to do what he says anymore, plus most terrorist organizations have been forced underground now.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:34 PM
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You missed a few years there I assume that is because there were none. You make a point to show the years bush was in office attack free.

Also just wanted to give you a number of civilians killed in Iraq ( not covered under your Solders are supposed to die mentality)


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yes, and many of the civilians casualties were caused by terrorist attacks in iraq. they are blowing up each other and killing themselves.

sorry for their civilian deaths but hey, you cannot fight a war with political correctness. war involves death....as sad as that may be. better to have 10,000 deaths to prevent something, than a nuclear attack on a major city (which could be in the US, UK, Tokyo, etc) that kills MILLIONS and destroys everything
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:35 PM
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I lifted these statistics from a John Hinderaker article at the Real Clear Politics website. They point out the progression of terrorist attacks against the US and US interests world wide over the last 20 years.

The point of the "war on terrorism" was to try and end radical Islamic terrorism to ensure a safer future for America. These statistics seem to show that so far, our strategy has worked.

Of course, I expect those of you on the left to counter by pointing out that over 4000 soldiers have died in this war. What you fail to recognize, is that is precisely what our military is for... To protect us. They are comprised of volunteers, men and women that have chosen to put their lives on the line for the security of this country. They are not "innocent" victims, as were the 3000 people who died on September 11, 2001.



What these statistics show, is that diplomacy isn't always the answer. Our diplomacy failed to prevent the attacks of 9/11, so it was time to take the next step. That step was to use military force against terrorist organizations like al qaida, and against terrorist supporting governments like Saddam's Iraq.

I'm not suggesting that we will never be attacked by terrorists again, but from what I can see, the war on terrorism has been successful thus far.
U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11


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All those attacks that were prevented, were the direct result of the Patriot Act and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, which mandated the sharing of information between the various law enforcement agencies. Both of which were created by the way, as part of the over all war on terrorism.
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All those attacks that were prevented, were the direct result of the Patriot Act and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, which mandated the sharing of information between the various law enforcement agencies. Both of which were created by the way, as part of the over all war on terrorism.
And how can you prove a direct link?

Thre Patriot Act and Homeland Security are also directly responsible for violating the constitutionally guaranteed rights of US citizens.
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:19 PM
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And how can you prove a direct link?
I wasn't attempting to Michael. I was just pointing out the facts, and came to my personal opinion. Sometimes 1+1 = 2... Know what I mean?

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Please link me to the court decision that backs up your assertion please? If you can't, then you accusation is nothing more than baseless political rhetoric.

Then of course, there's the fact that the congress renewed the patriot act a few years back, even though democrats made the same baseless accusations as you have Michael.

Is calling your opinion baseless, grounds for another infraction?
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:06 AM
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All those attacks that were prevented, were the direct result of the Patriot Act and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, which mandated the sharing of information between the various law enforcement agencies. Both of which were created by the way, as part of the over all war on terrorism.
The patriot act did not do that. the fact we were looking did.

the pre 911 intelligence was there the government failed to act.

So I would say that is a totally premiseless statement.
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Warrantless wiretaps of phone and internet services is a violation of the constitution. That is especially the case without probable cause and done in mass, as in all Americans for all phone calls and internet transactions. If you have missed all of the multitude articles on this, it must be by your choice.

The Democrats have been enablers on this issue. You bring this up as if I am a Democrat. I am alienated with both parties.
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Warrantless wiretaps of phone and internet services is a violation of the constitution. That is especially the case without probable cause and done in mass, as in all Americans for all phone calls and internet transactions. If you have missed all of the multitude articles on this, it must be by your choice.

The Democrats have been enablers on this issue. You bring this up as if I am a Democrat. I am alienated with both parties.
I'm still waiting for you to post that court decision that supports your claims Michael... Should I just file your accusations as baseless now?
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