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Libertarians: Trying to get people to
mind their own business since 1971.
The Freedom Files

The Solution: Do exactly that for which we criticize Democrats and Republicans; pander.

I don't want to be a member of any organization that will compromise principle to get votes.

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"Bring me that horizon".

I have received quite a few hate mails today from our state contact site. Quite frankly I am sick of it. I am sick of being accused of "prostituting" my "principles" for the actions of a body of which I was not in attendance. That said, I would have voted for Barr over Rewurt anyway (she did get 22 delegates from our state which was the majority).

To the idiologues and purists I say......farewell and following seas.

SC - the "solution" is to start treating the orginaztion for what it is - a political party. It is not a debating society. There are plenty of blog sites for that purpose.

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The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish! - Frederick Bastiat

Libertarians are neither pragmatists nor purists.

If I had to pick a word it would be dreamers.

Please explain to me why anyone would want to go back to the days of Robber barons
and 55% of the elderly living under the poverty line.

Please explain how working 80 hours a week and having your children work so that you can live in a small shack owned by the people that run the business were you work is a better way to live.

Libertarians long for a past that never existed and dream of a world where they pay little but get all they need.

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Defeating market theocrats since 2001.

Hear hear! My feelings exactly.

mwillman wrote:You obviously don't understand libertarian philosophy because this post doesn't make any sense. For example, the second half of your last sentence describes the welfare mentality perfectly but has nothing to do with libertarianism.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

What I was describing is what happened the last time libertarian ideas were tried.

Its called the 19th century and it was not a good time for those not born into or sold out to money.

The monopolies that existed during the "robber baron" era, was facilitated by our very government. Government creates, and maintains monopolies and their unethical labor practices. It was true then, and is becoming a reality again today.

No one wishes for the elderly to live below the poverty line. It is unfortunate that so many elderly live below the poverty level today. It is painfully clear that while Social Security may have been a noble cause, it has failed. It is also unconstitutional in nature. A better solution should be found where individuals "own" their retirement accounts. In this fashion, our money cannot be utilized to fund illegal foreign conflicts and bridges to nowhere.

No one is suggestion such. Your labor is yours to trade for remuneration. That is the beauty of free association. You can make a choice "not" to work for a company as much as you can choose "to" work for a company. Intellectual dishonesty is very unbecoming by the way.

Please explain? Otherwise, you are simply describing the welfare mentality which is far different then one who provides for him/herself and is able to keep the fruits of their labor. Please explain your affinity towards indentured servitude to the state?

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The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish! - Frederick Bastiat

Its simple if you do not have a government that regulates business then business does what ever it wants and history has proven that a deregulated system with no safety nets leads to the masses suffering.

The only example I believe you'll find "historically" is during the industrial revolution and the situation was not exclusive to the US. Again, the monopolistic and unethical practices were facilitated and protected by the very government that now "regulates" them. Had government allowed competition, then you would have seen an increase of the labor and living standard.

Safety net? What safety net? There is no such thing. Social Security provides nothing...certainly not above "poverty level"...Of course the government claims the "poverty level" to be around 10K per year. Funny....I remember when I was in college it was 8K. I guess there hasn't been much inflation since the early 80's right? Pleeeeeeease.

I service retirees. All of my patients are either below or on the edge of the "poverty line." Less than 10% can afford to pay their deductible and co-pays.

Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are all failures. The rate of return for Social Security is a joke and Medicare / Medicaid is simply corporate welfare for the insurance industry. If you would care for a first hand glimpse, I'll gladly let you ride with one of our drivers for a day. After seeing the misery with your own eyes, then you can tell me what a wonderful thing this "safety net" is.

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The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish! - Frederick Bastiat