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Old 05-14-2008, 11:37 AM
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AS: Just freedom of speech and a question. I don't think DrakeJ is coming from the same place as others that are involved in smear threads.

Both McCain and Obama is elected would have to surround themselves with experts. They key person or persons is a veteran of the legislature that knows how to get things done in congress. Someone with actual military command experience would be critical, someone like Colin Powell. If it is Obama, he has a list of numerous retired generals that have come out for withdrawal and would know how to do it.
That's just looking at the war. We can't have a president based only on that. Let's say that we did elect a president for only one thing and that was to pull us out of Iraq, what would happen (here, not in Iraq)? He'd pull us out and then what?

We have to look at their stance on just about every issue, we can't afford to have blinders that make us just look at one thing.
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:43 AM
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I did say "experts" plural.
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AS: Just freedom of speech and a question. I don't think DrakeJ is coming from the same place as others that are involved in smear threads.

Both McCain and Obama if elected would have to surround themselves with experts. They key person or persons is a veteran of the legislature that knows how to get things done in congress. Someone with actual military command experience would be critical, someone like Colin Powell. If it is Obama, he has a list of numerous retired generals that have come out for withdrawal and would know how to do it.
You need to come to terms with the fact that what you consider a smear thread is a legitiamte issue for many. Rather than sitting back and labeling something as smear, why don't you jump in feet first and give a valid arguement to support your poistion. And that doesn't mean bringing in Bush with every arguement. It means discussing the topic at hand, without diverting.
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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Okay like I said, what if Obama comes into office with high expectations and fails?

My fear is that people will no be as critical off Obama as they have been of Bush. That will push our country down the same road will it not?
If, and it's a big if, Obama is elected that's exactly what will happen. People will make excuses for Obama's shortcomings and blame his failures on the previous administration. Add to that Obama's inexperience and you've got a real mess.

As for Congress, the Democrats have demonstrated that their controlling Congress has resulted in virtually nothing getting done.

Obama and a Democratic Congress are a recipe for stagnant government.
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Start a thread. We are hijacking this thread off topic.
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If elected what happens if Obama fails? = Topic. Not me.

Yes I have. We need to prevent him or anyone else from failing. How do you do that?

Whoever is elected will have to surround themselves with experts, whether it is Obama, McCain, or Clinton. I gave a few examples of experts, but it means the entire cabinet and white house staff including advisors.
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If elected what happens if Obama fails? = Topic. Not me.

Yes I have. We need to prevent him or anyone else from failing. How do you do that?

Whoever is elected will have to surround themselves with experts, whether it is Obama, McCain, or Clinton. I gave a few examples of experts, but it means the entire cabinet and white house staff including advisors.
Exactly Michael,

One of the reasons the Bush regime has been so bad is the fact that he put unqualified people into too many positions of power. His choices weren't based on who could do the best job but were based on who supported his wants no matter what.

For a government to work well it needs good people working for it and that means hiring people that are educated in the job they are going to do. Bush choose badly and McCain will be forced to keep many of them if he is elected.

One of the Big changes we need and will get when a Democrat wins is a change in who runs and works for the many executive departments that run this nation.
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That is probably the best way for Obama to make sure that he doesn't choke when in the white house. Fill it with people that won't choke and that will help him do what he wants to do for the country. That might even mean giving a spot to Hillary Clinton (probably not the VP).
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What if he doesn't come through on the promises that he has made, and will make later on (because he will make more)?

That's my greatest concern with Obama, is that he'll choke in Office (I know that I as hell would). What if that happens? I think that I'll be disappointed, I hate him as some promise breaker unless there is evidence that he had no intention of fullfilling those promises or that he never tried. I won't blindly defend him, but I also won't stand aside while others blindly attack him (as many do with every president).
What? Explain how this makes any sense at all.
Most presidents break some campaign promises....Bush broke an unprecedented number of them.
Choke in office? Did George Bush "choke" in office? What are you, all of 20 yrs old....you probably didn't even vote in the last election. So, what the hell are you talking about. No one can take you seriously.
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I have been thinking about this more and more.

What happens if Obama gets elected and we have a democratic congress and nothing changes? Aside from taking our guns away and such, because that will surely happen.

This is what I think will happen. Republicans will be blamed because they created a mess that cannot be repaired. My biggest concern is that the most vocal Obama supporters will not call him on mistakes if they are made. This will be more detrimental to our country than any thing else.

But I would like to hear everyone's take on what will happen, should happen if Obama fails to deliver if elected.
How many of you lost your guns when Bill Clinton took over in 1993? Cuz Drakej, there was a democratic controlled congress then too... so? How many of you lost your guns?

IF Obama should fail, then a republican will be elected in 2012... simple.
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