Where did George Bush come in to this?! Clinton and McCain have more experience in Congress. Clinton has been in the WH and although she wasn't incharge of anything really (meaning that there was always someone to dump things onto if she wanted), she did see how things ran and how they opporated, meaning there are going to be few surprises for her other than actual issues. George Bush isn't on the ticket (not in my state at least), so I really don't care about him.

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I wouldn't be so sure about McCain--he's been shifting rightward to pander to the base for a while now.

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~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

I know that you asked Finny, but I'd like to answer.

Hell, No we don't have true capitalism here in the US. With all the economic programs (like the stimulus, SB grants, and more). We have something that was modeled to look like capitalism but instead has so many rules and regulations that aren't a part of capitalism, it can no more be called capitalism than calling something communism that doesn't nationalize industry, and makes backroom deals with big businesses.

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Set your destination with your heart, get there with your mind.

"The wisest men follow their own direction." - Euripides

Socialism, not communism, does this. Communism has no government.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

To simply answer the question. If obama fails he will be called out on all these promises that he has made and failing will endoubtly put the dems in the corner. However it is very hard to do a ton of change in just eight years. One of the bad things about a term limit. You do not see the fruits of a presidents labor untill he has been out of office for a while. With that said i do believe that on some issues he will fail. For example no way they get the gun ban. Maybe they get more restrictions, which shouldnt be to bad. But the one thing obama can do is get people to believe. No matter what his downfalls the one thing he is good at is talking. If he can get washington to fall in line then alot of change will come. If people continue to doubt instead of following a man and his ideals. Then we can look at a stalled goverments like we have been for a long time. Alot of this is merely what ifs. I understand the doubt but now that we know our canidate it is time to jump on board or get off.

No, We haven't since 1913 (the Fed was created). Everything has been subsidized ever since. The booms and busts of the economy has happened due to the Fed. Sure there were plenty (booms and busts) before the Fed, but the Government didn't give people anything.

We truly have the a Nationalized Economy. Everything in this Economy passes through the halls of Congress or some other Federal Agencies to gain approval. Be it Medicine, Housing, Stocks, or Toilet Paper.

To give you an example. Cell Phones. For the longest time in the US you couldn't use GSM (Global System for Mobile) Cell Phones.. you had to use CDMA (Code division multiple access) and TDMA.. While in the EU they were getting better quality products at a cheaper price. While now GSM has been adpoted in the US. Except, you have to pay 2 to 3 times normal of what a European does for the same cell phone. Why? Because the US Government decided it should be that way.

74% of the world is using GSM and the US is finally moving to it after some lobbying by the top Carriers in the Country were getting pissed that the Government wasn't allowing us to move to a Global Network.

We also have other issues as if a Oil Company makes some money, Democrats love to blame big oil and say they are evil, but later that day they are going to approve a bill that gives Oil Companies money.

You'd think people would catch on to this over controlling Government and the scam they are doing... but they don't. The Sheeple (which most of those who come to this forum are) say "please give me more Government or regulate just some more please.. it will save us", not even realizing the idiots that give you the regulation cause the prices to go up and make you poorer..

But every time a Democrat or a Republican (as I am an equal opportunist) says we'll give you $600 dollars to remind you how poor you really are.. Everybody claps and cheers. But 3 days later they are bitching about their loaf of bread, the gallon of gas or the gallon of milk has gone up in price.

But the Sheeple don't realize that "refund" wasn't about giving you money to stimulate the economy.. it was about giving the Banks money. As every $600 dollars the bank saw, they were able to create $5,400 to loan out to some person who probably couldn't pay the damn bills in the first place.

So the dollar goes down in value because of the extra cash that was created. Prices on everything goes up to due the Inflation created by the excess of the dollar. Then people wonder why its so hard for them. Its because of the Government promising to pay for the **** it can't..and then the Government goes and creates more money to pay for it. And every American, you and I are stuck holding worthless money.

We are the cause of our problems. We elect idiots who think that money grows on trees. Which makes us idiots because we'd have to believe that too if we elect those idiots.

This is why I advocate Capitalism. As Capitalism comes from the word Capital. Capital is the amount you can physically spend on something without going broke.

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Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Communism has no governmet? Are you so sure about that. It makes me wonder what they're teaching in school these days...

This is a high school level course that teaches about Communist Governments:

Government: Democratic and Communist

Title: Government: Democratic and Communist
Description: Learn about two different types of government: democratic and communist. Learn the philosophy of communism and the history of its development. Find out what countries have democratic and communist/socialist government. Discover how the economy influences the course of a countries' development. There is a link to an eThemes resource on democracy and community responsibility. Includes photographs, maps, video, lesson plans, and quotes on communism of Carl Marx, Frederick Engels, and Mao Zedong.
Grade Level: 9, 10, 11, 12
Government: Democratic and Communist | eThemes | eMINTS

Communist governments DO exist. Examples:

The Times: Britain joined plot to overthrow a Communist Italian government

Britain plotted to support a coup d'état in Rome in 1976 because of grave fears that the Italian Communist Party would win the election and form a government, according to declassified documents.

The papers, uncovered by an Italian researcher at the National Archives at Kew, reveal a flurry of anxious correspondence between the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and its diplomats, as well as with Henry Kissinger, the US Secretary of State, European officials in Brussels and even the Vatican in the months before the election.

One paper dated May 6, 1976 - when James Callaghan was the Labour Prime Minister - from the planning staff of the Foreign Office, is entitled Action in Support of a Coup d'État or Other Subversive Action. It says: "By its nature a coup is likely to be an unexpected development, but theoretically a coup could be promoted . . . it would presumably come from the right wing drawing in the army and the police."
Britain joined plot to overthrow a Communist Italian government

Cuba's communist government sends message of continuity

Cuba's communist government sent a clear message to its people Thursday: Nothing is going to change.

"The revolution will continue" was the mantra chanted on state-run television and displayed in government newspapers three days after Fidel Castro temporarily ceded power to his younger brother Raul while recovering from surgery.
Cuba's communist government sends message of continuity

TERRORISTS CONNECTED TO CUBAN COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT

New York Terrorists connected to Fidel. The NYPD and the FBI upended a conspiracy destined to create a large-scale campaign of terror in the United States, which would have started with the destruction of 3 national monuments: The Statue of Liberty in New York, The Philadelphia Liberty Bell and the Washington Monument in the nation's capital. The chief of the NYPD, Michael Murphy stated that the main conspirators were 3 black male extremists of the "Black Liberation Front" and 1 white French-Canadian woman, a supporter of Quebec's independence from Canada. All four were detained yesterday here in the United States. Murphy characterized all 3 men as firm supporters of Fidel Castro and Chinese communism.
TERRORISTS CONNECTED TO CUBAN COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT

Commemorating 50 Years Of The First Communist Government In Kerala

THE golden jubilee celebrations of unified Kerala’s first elected government got off to a formal start at Thiruvanathapuram on April 5. All over the state, CPI(M), CPI and their mass organisations conducted various colourful programmes to mark the 50th anniversary of the first communist government of the state. The celebrations altogether evoked the memories of the historic day on which Kerala began its journey on the road of democratic governance.
Commemorating 50 Years Of The First Communist Government In Kerala

Communist Government Targets Members of Bloc "8406"

Since its release on April 8, the 2006 Manifesto on Freedom and Democracy for Vietnam has been a rallying cry for political action by Vietnamese citizens. Thousands of supporters have signed the document as well as subsequent appeals from the “Bloc 8406” (named after the date of the Manifesto), including prominent political activists and members of unsanctioned religious denominations.
Communist Government Targets Members of Bloc "8406" - viettan.org

The whole point of this thread is for people to ask themselves a simple question. I wanted you all to examine what you care about the most. Is it your party or your country.

It is great to strongly support your party but I really hope that you all care more for the country than a political platform. That being said, if Obama, Clinton, McCain et al fails I hope that everyone here is big enough to call them on it, instead of blaming the previous party, congress or the senate.

I realize that those other governing bodies can make things hard but if someone promises something then by God I expect them to deliver on it. Just remember everyone jumped all over Bush when he screwed up. Do you think you can do the same to your candidate if that time ever comes?

I hold all politicians to the same lens. But I also recognize that party plays a very strong part in our system. A president is only one person. Its the team they bring that really makes a difference and hiring from Roberts university hasn't worked out that well.

To change the government we need to change the party becuase that is the only way to clean up the executive branch.

That's only Anarchy Communism (or Libertarian Communism) which is not all forms of communism and definately isn't the form that is designated with just "communism" (with no prefix).

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