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Old 05-14-2008, 05:11 PM
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No, Elitist means.

1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

Economic Belief does not qualify in making you Elitist specially when you are a Free Market Capitalist which I am. If you knew about Free Market Capitalism, you'd clearly understand I am not elitist.

Elite in the true since of the word means better then Normal people. But that is negated because everyone is better at something then others.

Obama qualifies as Elitist because He thinks Blue Dog Democrats (the working class) clings to their guns and religion because they are middle class. He thinks their believes and values are s h i t.

If I was elitist, I would be agreeing with Obama. I do not. As I grew up and was raised by those working class elite who "cling to their guns and religion". Obama forgot where he came from. Not I.

So spin your bs elsewhere.
In capitalism, those who are "elite" are supposedly supposed to be the most well-rewarded. Capitalism is elitist. Elitism is not a bad thing.

You have no proof that Obama actually believes any of this...all you have is one remark he made about people who are bitter over lost jobs.

Who's spinning here?
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Old 05-14-2008, 05:21 PM
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Calling my posts "stupid" is an insult and rules violation. Not surprisingly the violation has been ignored.
Not ignored Bourne. Of course I thought they and you might take it in the spirit of how it was offerred.

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At least you're consistent. You never do have much to add that's relevant to the topic. Just the usual ignorant baiting.
Hmm, and that is the very reason I chose you to receive the gif Bourne. Because your comment that Dems have done nothing was as you say, "ignorant baiting." The only reason you didn't get my 9 out 10 top BS awards for 2008, is because the url contains a word censored here.

The Democrats have accomplished a lot for not having control of congress, and will be accomplishing quite a bit more once we do control congress and the WH again. Of course if the republicans want to go at another impeachment for a BJ, we can kill another 8-16 years of American progress.
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:18 PM
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What? Explain how this makes any sense at all.
Most presidents break some campaign promises....Bush broke an unprecedented number of them.
Choke in office? Did George Bush "choke" in office? What are you, all of 20 yrs old....you probably didn't even vote in the last election. So, what the hell are you talking about. No one can take you seriously.
Lets see I have voted from 1967 But the Army decided I voted for Nixon back then. I have been voting and about evey president or House member has failed to produce in some promises. They have increased in the number of lies each election. But we still vote. lol

What would happen? Nothing he is in office and the public's mind isn't able to remember 3 and a half years later or believes the lies used to defer the principlal of broken pormises.
But my hope is He won't give in to the party line which he is still following so well. And does bring change or that the public will bring the change which is so needed.
Thats is if he wins. I still count Hillary in the race, unless she has done give up today, which I doubt.

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Harvard doesn't have a "being POTUS 101" class.

Havard doesn't prepare you for the challenges of being the POTUS. No, McCain and Clinton would be the least likely to choke because they have a lot more experience in congress and the WH (that doesn't mean I trust them to make the right decisions).
What? You can't even be serious. I guess George Bush's tenure as Governor of Texas, excludes him from consideration, as he was no senator (as if that was a pre-requsite). I will not engage you any further, because it's clear, you have no idea of what you're talking about.
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Lets see I have voted from 1967 But the Army decided I voted for Nixon back then. I have been voting and about evey president or House member has failed to produce in some promises. They have increased in the number of lies each election. But we still vote. lol

What would happen? Nothing he is in office and the public's mind isn't able to remember 3 and a half years later or believes the lies used to defer the principlal of broken pormises.
But my hope is He won't give in to the party line which he is still following so well. And does bring change or that the public will bring the change which is so needed.
Thats is if he wins. I still count Hillary in the race, unless she has done give up today, which I doubt.

Right on OE!
Right on? My comment about voting was directly aimed at OE.
And CNN has just called her bets "off", as John Edward's "timed endorsement" signals "the end".
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Harvard will give someone the education needed to hopefully make educated decisions at a later time. It also allows them to seek professional careers, depending on the courses offered. Personally, I would vote for someone even if they had a degree from a state university as long as they are honest, sincere, and trustworthy. True leaders need to be these three things.

If Obama fails, then it will be another election that the public is hoodwinked by a smooth talking candidate. With the "ability to inspire" comes the "ability to deceive". History has shown that with the leaders I mentioned earlier. It's not like it's the first time it has happened, but voters seem to not learn the lessons from previous elections.
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In capitalism, those who are "elite" are supposedly supposed to be the most well-rewarded. Capitalism is elitist. Elitism is not a bad thing.
No, Capitalism doesn't reward the Elite anything. Hard work is the cause of the reward. If you don't work hard, you don't get the reward. That is not elitism. That damn common sense.

And in Capitalism, you get punished if you think you know it all or make bad moves. All you have to do to see that is look at companies failed.

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You have no proof that Obama actually believes any of this...all you have is one remark he made about people who are bitter over lost jobs.
So, Obama now says things he doesn't believe in? Do you really want to open that can of worms?

Cause all you are doing is setting yourself up for me to say.. How can you believe in someone who won't stand by the things he says today.. if tomorrow it's unpopular? That is a flip flopper.

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Who's spinning here?
I am not spinning.. you are.. I just showed it.
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So, Finny, do you thing we really have true capitalism here in America?
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Old 05-14-2008, 08:54 PM
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Hoodwinked as in Bush and Cheney lying their butts off to get us to give them war powers and invade Iraq???
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No, Capitalism doesn't reward the Elite anything. Hard work is the cause of the reward. If you don't work hard, you don't get the reward. That is not elitism. That damn common sense.

And in Capitalism, you get punished if you think you know it all or make bad moves. All you have to do to see that is look at companies failed.
Therefore, it follows that people who work hardest should be the wealthiest, correct? This is not true for one thing. For another, capitalism rewards the elite because they will be able to work harder and better than regular people.

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So, Obama now says things he doesn't believe in? Do you really want to open that can of worms?

Cause all you are doing is setting yourself up for me to say.. How can you believe in someone who won't stand by the things he says today.. if tomorrow it's unpopular? That is a flip flopper.
Pathetic, really. And you accuse me of spin. Perhaps you interpreted his comments on bitter people as hatred of the middle class...I interpreted it as a truthful, honest statement. Obama does not hate the middle class, that is totally absurd.
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