Now you're damn skippy...after The Antichrist, we need a Messiah, about now.

That still doesn't answer the question asked by Drakej.

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Oh, we will just go into denial, and tell you everything is rosey. I plan to tell you the programs are succeeding, we just have to wait a while longer to show you the evidence. Like 16 years or so. When it gets real bad we will make up BS to feed you, and come up with other ideas to distract from the real bad facts. We don't plan to share any of the real data with you anyway, as that is executive priviledge. If you don't like it we will call you unAmerican for ever bringing up such a perposterious notion. We will also fire anyone who dare speak up about anything.

So that is what is going to happen, so you might as well take a 16 year vacation and leave your paycheck, cuz we are going to tax the heck out of you and maybe eat your children if they don't conform to state standards.

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Vote like your life and your families life depends on it - because it does.

Vote like you want peace & prosparity for America - because the right wants more wars, more casualities, more VA hospitals.

Vote like you want a secured border from terrorists, illegal aliens, drugs, and gun runners - because the right offerred you a few miles of wire fence.

Actually, Zephyr finally answered the question, but in a different thread.

I asked him:

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer What will you do if he doesn't win? More important, what would you do if he does win but doesn't come through with what he promised his supporters. Have you given much thought to that scenario? What would you do then??

Zephyr answered:

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Originally Posted by Zephyr Speak out against him as a promise-breaker. What else would I do?

He is the ONLY Obama supporter that has answered the question so far, and I admire his honesty. A simple answer, yet an answer nevertheless.

I'm new here and am not certain of the political positions of the members. I too wonder about Obama and his learning the ropes after his inauguration. He has some wonderful people behind him who understand what he can and cannot do as Commander in Chief.

I believe in these forums who can keep track of all actions in D.C. I had hoped that in 2004, the Republicans would have forced a change in the White House to stop the waste and abuse from the Bush White House. I also fear the influence of the religious right who seemed anxious to remove some of the individual freedoms that had been part of the Bush campaign. As far as I can see, Bush did not keep a single promise which is actually better for all of us had he done what he threatened to do. The only promise he kept was for Faith-based Grants which, of course, kept the religious right on his side.

If and when Obama wins in November I am hoping all the forums will be aware of his actions. We cannot lose our guns unless the Suprreme Court stays as a balance of Conservative judges. Many of us tried to ask our Senators to stop the assault on our freedoms by accepting the two judges that Bush supplied. Alito and Roberts (both in for life) will continue to be directed by the RNC and we absolutely need a Liberal Justice for a balance. This must be watched.

Personally I trust Obama to back away from the Abortion Issue, allow Stem Cell research and I see no reason for him to disallow same sex marriages. We need congressmen and women to back him on this. The last item that concerns me is the Supreme Court Justices staying out of the State's decision especially on "Death with Dignity" that so far the Justices have made no move to stop the ongoing movement.

This has been tough for me to support Obama because I have been a Republican since Ike. The GOP at that time was for a limited governmernt especially when we are no longer at war. I worked for Goldwater and was crushed when Big Government won that race. I left the GOP after Bush 41 moved toward a One World Order for an American Empire and I never returned.

So I'm now an Obama supporter and will watch his actions from day one. But I see no reason for these forums not to start combining our political opinions to locate some new Congressmen.

You have to balance concerns about Obamas lack of experience and what if he fails with McCains age and what if he is seriously ill or dies in office. And my concern with McCain is his having a fundamentalist Christian VP running mate, who would then become president and free to enforce the fundamentalist agenda on America.

What a stupid question to begin with. Why pessimism?
What if he "succeeds"?
Bush got elected, and by many standards, he has "failed" miserably....I still see folks defending him and his defenseless policies, and crimes and misdemeanors.
What does Drakej mean, "what if he fails?".

What if he doesn't come through on the promises that he has made, and will make later on (because he will make more)?

That's my greatest concern with Obama, is that he'll choke in Office (I know that I as hell would). What if that happens? I think that I'll be disappointed, I hate him as some promise breaker unless there is evidence that he had no intention of fullfilling those promises or that he never tried. I won't blindly defend him, but I also won't stand aside while others blindly attack him (as many do with every president).

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Maybe you have me on ignore, but I said the same thing, so you're spreading misinformation here.

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AS: Just freedom of speech and a question. I don't think DrakeJ is coming from the same place as others that are involved in smear threads.

Both McCain and Obama if elected would have to surround themselves with experts. They key person or persons is a veteran of the legislature that knows how to get things done in congress. Someone with actual military command experience would be critical, someone like Colin Powell. If it is Obama, he has a list of numerous retired generals that have come out for withdrawal and would know how to do it.