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Old 05-13-2008, 04:31 PM
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The Surviellance State Gets Efficient
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Hello Freedomphiles! So, a grocery chain in the UK is trying something novel to combat underage drinking and smoking - facial recognition software. BBCNews reports:

  • The supermarket chain Budgens has installed face recognition cameras in one of its stores to stop children buying alcohol and cigarettes...

    ...Three cameras have been installed at the pilot branch, one in each checkout lane.

    The cameras monitor customers as they approach the tills, transmitting the pictures to a control centre in Worcester.

    The customers' facial features are automatically scanned against a database of images of young people who have visited the store before.

    Anyone who has been refused alcohol or cigarettes on a previous occasion will be flagged up.


You know, I'm not a big fan of cameras, but this is a private business, not the government. The only real problem I have with this, honestly, is that is an added cost to the business, meant to satisfy the government and its underage drinking/smoking campaign. In other words, this is a regulatory cost that will be passed on to the consumers.

That said, it also provides some increased efficiency:

  • The system also identifies when a customer has previously verified that they are 18 or over, enabling the sale to proceed more quickly.


This could be especially helpful in the busier times, when someone trying to buy alcohol underage might benefit from a harried cashier that starts to take short-cuts.
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Well, you probably already know what my position on this is, but I'll say it anyway. I like it. If it is a cost that they want to add to their business, that is their choice, but it will speed up the lines in cases where alcohol (and likely tobacco too) is involved.
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Well, you probably already know what my position on this is, but I'll say it anyway. I like it. If it is a cost that they want to add to their business, that is their choice, but it will speed up the lines in cases where alcohol (and likely tobacco too) is involved.
Were you surprised that I don't mind it?
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I mind it! It is an intrusion on the right to privacy. If I chose to wear a hat, (wig if bald), (scarf if women), (make up), or sunglasses I will be forced to remove them if I wish to purchase liquor. Choice yes! Intrusion Yes! Under the guise of making it easier for corporations to ID you and sell your information. Not far off is the 666 tattoo!
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I mind it! It is an intrusion on the right to privacy. If I chose to wear a hat, (wig if bald), (scarf if women), (make up), or sunglasses I will be forced to remove them if I wish to purchase liquor. Choice yes! Intrusion Yes! Under the guise of making it easier for corporations to ID you and sell your information. Not far off is the 666 tattoo!
Just go to a different shop.
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Just go to a different shop.
If this catches on though you will not be able to enter a shop without having to go through this?

This technology is pretty far off from being really reliable from what I can tell. Hell most casinos do not have this running. Way to many false positives (meaning the person can legally buy booze but matches someone that cannot).

The government probably thinks this is a great idea, a massive database gets stored for them while the private sector foots the bill for it all.
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Just go to a different shop.
Have you watched how corporations work? First one trys the water to see if the public will put up with it, then they all jump on. Pretty soon there is no where else to go. Oregon has state run liquor, so they would all do it. Then most people are so willing to give up their rights, they could care less. Like a bunch of cattle headed to the slaughter.
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My God, look at all the people screaming 'konspiracy, invasion of privacy'. The only people who have anything to worry about are those who are doing something wrong.
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Oh, yeah, that old saw.

I disagree with this one (hell, I think the drinking age should be 18, not 21, but that's a different story). From personal experience, the problem is not minors buying alcohol, it's them buying it or getting it from people who are allowed to buy it.
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Oh, yeah, that old saw.

I disagree with this one (hell, I think the drinking age should be 18, not 21, but that's a different story).
If you're old enough to fight, you're old enough to drink.

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From personal experience, the problem is not minors buying alcohol, it's them buying it or getting it from people who are allowed to buy it.
So true, but even then, i believe it should be a parents choice if children can drink in their presence (and if the minor becomes inebriated, the parents should be charged).
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