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Old 05-11-2008, 11:37 AM
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We had a news media feeding frenzy on Rev Wright. This went as far as interview programs inviting Wright to speak inorder to create more poop to scoop. And someone there has been nothing said about McCain, and Reverends Parsley and Haggee. M

Deafening Silence on McCain, Hagee and Parsley

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After the mainstream media’s weeks of obsession with Rev. Wright, some of which continued even after Senator Obama denounced him in no unequivocal terms, many bloggers and activists seem to have succeeded in getting the media to again do what it is supposed to do: cover the issues that matter most to people.

If we were to judge the media based on an idealistic set of standards, we’re likely to conclude that the Rev. Wright story maybe should never have gotten as much attention as it did because what one’s pastor says is neither representative of one’s beliefs nor grounds for one to leave a church community he’s been a member of. Based on that standard, the media certainly failed miserably.

But the media has also failed based on its own standards. If news programs and Blitzers of the American media find it relevant to obsess about some of the past comments of a presidential candidate’s former pastor, should they not apply that standard to all the candidates?

There has been little talk in the mainstream media about Rev. Hagee’s remarks that New Orleans got what it deserved through Hurricane Katrina because of gays or “its level of sins” in general. John McCain actively sought the endorsement of Rev. Hagee.

But Brave New Films has now made available the video of Pastor Rod Parsley, another pastor admired by John McCain whose firebrand and incendiary comments insult Islam. One may wonder what makes John McCain’s association with Rev. Parsley, and calling him, among other things, one of the “truly great leaders in America,” “moral compass” and “spiritual guide” relevant. Pastor Parsley has called Islam “an anti-Christ religion that intends, through violence, to conquer the world,” declared that “America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion [Islam] destroyed” and expressed the view that “I believe our nation can’t truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historic conflict with Islam.”

In light of these incendiary and extreme comments, it is both incredible and tragic to see the media apply such a double standard to the controversial comments of two different pastors. The media is not in the position to decide insults against what group of people is justified and against what group of people controversial and bombastic.

One may be inclined to say that Rev. Wright’s comments offended more people because he criticized Israel which may be likely to offend many Jews. First of all, criticizing Israel has nothing to do with ones’ opinion of the Jews, despite what those who want to suppress conversation about Israel say. Israel is a democratic state and can be a legitimate subject of criticism for its policies like the United States or any other state. Secondly, when it comes to insulting a minority group, the number of people in that group should not be the sole factor in deciding how much to cover a story that insults that minority group.

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[color="Blue"]If we were to judge the media based on an idealistic set of standards, we’re likely to conclude that the Rev. Wright story maybe should never have gotten as much attention as it did because what one’s pastor says is neither representative of one’s beliefs nor grounds for one to leave a church community he’s been a member of. Based on that standard, the media certainly failed miserably.
Thats the most preposterous statement I have ever heard, seriously. Obama has legs, let him walk away. I did.

The real question is whether Rev. Wright actually said anything that wasn't the truth, and if he did I would like to know what the @!^#* it was.
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They're scared to attack Hagee because they will be accused of hating Christianity.
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Yes, Haggee hates Muslims and the problem is setting off a fundamentalist nutcase. But on the other hand, setting him off would not be good for McCain. Maybe the news media needs to be fair and do a set of interviews with Haggee to give him enough rope to hang himself.
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Yes, Haggee hates Muslims and the problem is setting off a fundamentalist nutcase. But on the other hand, setting him off would not be good for McCain. Maybe the news media needs to be fair and do a set of interviews with Haggee to give him enough rope to hang himself.
Hagee is the one who said America was founded to destroy Islam, right?

Yes, the media in this country is so liberal.
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We had a news media feeding frenzy on Rev Wright. This went as far as interview programs inviting Wright to speak inorder to create more poop to scoop. And someone there has been nothing said about McCain, and Reverends Parsley and Haggee. M

Deafening Silence on McCain, Hagee and Parsley

by Sam Sedaei

After the mainstream media’s weeks of obsession with Rev. Wright, some of which continued even after Senator Obama denounced him in no unequivocal terms, many bloggers and activists seem to have succeeded in getting the media to again do what it is supposed to do: cover the issues that matter most to people.

If we were to judge the media based on an idealistic set of standards, we’re likely to conclude that the Rev. Wright story maybe should never have gotten as much attention as it did because what one’s pastor says is neither representative of one’s beliefs nor grounds for one to leave a church community he’s been a member of. Based on that standard, the media certainly failed miserably.

But the media has also failed based on its own standards. If news programs and Blitzers of the American media find it relevant to obsess about some of the past comments of a presidential candidate’s former pastor, should they not apply that standard to all the candidates?

There has been little talk in the mainstream media about Rev. Hagee’s remarks that New Orleans got what it deserved through Hurricane Katrina because of gays or “its level of sins” in general. John McCain actively sought the endorsement of Rev. Hagee.

But Brave New Films has now made available the video of Pastor Rod Parsley, another pastor admired by John McCain whose firebrand and incendiary comments insult Islam. One may wonder what makes John McCain’s association with Rev. Parsley, and calling him, among other things, one of the “truly great leaders in America,” “moral compass” and “spiritual guide” relevant. Pastor Parsley has called Islam “an anti-Christ religion that intends, through violence, to conquer the world,” declared that “America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion [Islam] destroyed” and expressed the view that “I believe our nation can’t truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historic conflict with Islam.”

In light of these incendiary and extreme comments, it is both incredible and tragic to see the media apply such a double standard to the controversial comments of two different pastors. The media is not in the position to decide insults against what group of people is justified and against what group of people controversial and bombastic.

One may be inclined to say that Rev. Wright’s comments offended more people because he criticized Israel which may be likely to offend many Jews. First of all, criticizing Israel has nothing to do with ones’ opinion of the Jews, despite what those who want to suppress conversation about Israel say. Israel is a democratic state and can be a legitimate subject of criticism for its policies like the United States or any other state. Secondly, when it comes to insulting a minority group, the number of people in that group should not be the sole factor in deciding how much to cover a story that insults that minority group.

URL to article: Deafening Silence on McCain, Hagee and Parsley - CommonDreams.org
I'll be more than happy to make a comment or two on this topic, Michael.

First, I think McBush is not getting hammered on his choices for religious leaders' endorsements because there is no clear democratic opponent to do so.

Second... let's discuss Hagee, shall we? He says Katrina was God's way of punishing New Orleans for their transgressions and yet, says nothing at all about the devastation she brought to Mississippi. Why? And when it comes to using natural disasters as proof God is persecuting one group or another, you can't pick and choose which ones based on your own prejudices. IF you play that card with one, you have to play with the whole deck... Like the flooding in the midwest this past spring... or the tornadoes this past weekend... is God, like the republicans, against Mother's day?

Third, since McBush has neither renounced or denounced the words of hagee, Parsley and Falwell, according to republican logic, he MUST agree with what they say.

Falwell said america deservved 9/11... does McBush believe it too? He does if he doesn't denounce Falwell.

Parsley says all christians should kill all muslims regardless of whether or not they are extremists, has McBush denounced this? No... by republican standards, this must mean he agrees.

And ending with haggee... he say Cathiolics are whores and God uses the weather to punish those Hagee sees as sinners... has McBush renounced him? NO... he embraces him, therefore, mcbush must also believe this tripe too...
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Hagee and McCain have something in common. They both cheated on their wifes and married their mistress.
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That didn't stop the republican attack dogs from attacking Rev Wright. Do they hate Christianity? IMO, yes. As Jesus was very very liberal in his teachings wanting us to take care of our brother in his time of need, feeding, clothing and tending to him in prison or while sick. And we all know how much the right hates liberals.
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Yes, the media in this country is so liberal.
no, that's parsley... McBush has so many wackoes endorsing him, we need a program to keep them straight...
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