Originally Posted by Zephyr

Government of, by, and for the corporations is the definition of fascism.

Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Not really, fascism is about social control and different forms of fascism have varing economic plans regarding corporations. Some have large control by the central government, some have little control. The defining face of fascism is the control that it impliments upon it's people under the idea of "the people aren't smart enough to know what's best for them, they need the government to tell them what's best and to force what's best upon them, whether they like it or not."

Originally Posted by leviathon435

Fascism is also linked strongly with nationalism.

Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Yes, usually those that believe in the idea of "the people aren't smart enough to know what's best for them, they need the government to tell them what's best and to force what's best upon them, whether they like it or not." are typically viewing it as them that are the smarter ones (though I've actually meet a few that believed they were the sheep), and that belief in being smarter than everyone else tends to lead to them also thinking that they are better than everyone else, which can then spread to nationalism, sexism, racism, and many other things. But those things are resluts that come from facism and not a prerequsit for it.

Originally Posted by leviathon435

I agree racism and sexism aren't but I think nationalism is, of course you can have different authoritarian regimes but I do think nationalism is a part of fascism. But maybe not, it depends on how closely it must be to the original fascism of Mussolini's Italy.

Originally Posted by Michael

Simple concept here: if someone is wining, dining and bribing a legislator, that lobbyist gets arrested and that legislator faces ethics violation and impeachment.

Here is a case in point. A conservative Republican visits the North Mariana Islands in 2004. He was tipped off that clothes were being made under the "made in the USA" tag in sweatshops utilizing forced child labor there. He sponsored a bill that passed by a large majority in the Senate. Then the bill went on to the House of Representatives and Tom Delay. Then Jack Abramoff shows up after being hired by the sweatshop owners. He wines and dines and bribes Bush Republicans to NOT pass this legislation. The Bill did not pass, despite the fact that Tom (sociopath that he was) said he was a Christian, and for the right price, he turned his back on children being held in prison camps to work 6/7 days a week at below minimum wage under armed guard.

Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Mussolini isn't original fascism, he just resurected it. Fascism goes bact to before Christ.

Okay, I've done some more reading on it and the term "Fascist" was started by Mussolini. However he based his government off of past totalitarian states (though they weren't labeled "fascist" at their time, they were by our modern definition). So Fascist would mean Mussolini and fascist would mean any government or political ideaology that fits our current definition.

For the roots of where Mussolini got his ideas, Plato's Republic was a big inspiration.

The Republic (Plato) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by shintao

Tom Delay is a filthy piece of chit and should never have been allowed to leave his smuggy shoe prints in our Congres building. But that is what you get with Republicans - fk the people, support the corporations.

Originally Posted by Zephyr

Nationalism is incidental to fascism, not intrinsic. It does not need to be there for fascism to exist, although it is an excellent tool to keep people under the control of the fascist government.