Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010 - Page 6 - Political Fever

Bourne · #51 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicod3mus

I agree it's not flip flopping...his advisor can say what he wants to and Obama can absolutely clarify his position and say he won't take that advice...we aren't electing his advisor.

Yet the Democrats apply exactly the opposite standard to McCain and Rove.

AmericanDreamer · #52 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pragmatist

It is the mindset of the politician. it makes no difference whether he pulls them out in 6 or 60 months, he wants them out and will constantly look for ways to do it. McCain has the opposite mindset and could care less how long we are there. If you are for a continued occupation, vote for McCain. If you are not for a continued occupation, vote for Obama. Timetables and promises are simply targets, there is no way at this point in time for either to definitively know how long it will take to accomplish them.

Are you saying that a false promise is rationalized by a positive mindset?

aaronssongs · #53 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Are you saying that a false promise is rationalized by a positive mindset?

time will tell if a promise proves to be false. Intent is "framed" by a positive mindset...."I intend to accomplish my goal", and I'm optimistic and realistic about the probable outcome".....which is markedly different from " I have no intent of achieving the goal I set forth, but I'm going to spin it in the most positive light.

AmericanDreamer · #54 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

You don't know how to multiply and divide do you?

It seems like you do not. Explained below.

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

If we have 150,000 troops in Iraq, and a brigade has 3000 troops in it, and one brigade is brought home per month, how long will it take to get them all out?

50 months.

Obama stated he would withdraw 2 brigades per month, not 1 brigade per month. See facts below.

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Originally Posted by ViolaLee

You need to stop lying about what Obama promised. Really. It's getting tedious.

Obama has not lied about this yet, but if he takes his advisors advice then he would not be keeping his promise to the American people. If you are going to accuse someone of lying you need to be sure you are correct. If you do the proper math, instead of your faulty math, then it is quite clear. You are adjusting the numbers to fit your agenda. Please portray accurate numbers when trying to convince others, since it can be interpreted as misleading on your part.

HERE ARE THE FACTS

FACT: A brigade has 3-5,000 troops.

FACT: "He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."-Barack Obama Website
You need to do the math here:

FACT: 2 brigades each month=6,000-10,000 troops

FACT: 16 months of withdrawal= 96,000-160,000 troops

FACT: Withdrawing 150,000 troops would take about 16 months, which is what Obama promised this. It is in his website and he has stated this in interviews and in the debates. These are the FACTS.

NEW PLAN PROPOSED BY OBAMA'S ADVISOR:

FACT: 60,000-80,000 to remain in Iraq until 2010

You figure it out from this point.

This is VERY different than what Obama initially promised when he started his campaign. An example of how candidates can say what they need to say in order to get the votes and win the trust of the people. An intelligent person can figure it out. Not a rocket science.

You are claiming that it would take 50 months to withdraw the troops? You have no clue, or you are purposely spinning the truth, as usual. I suspect the latter. Why would you fudge the numbers like you did? Maybe it is YOU that is lying here?

Candidates are not elected because of intent. They are elected on PROMISES they make.

Pragmatist · #55 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Are you saying that a false promise is rationalized by a positive mindset?

I am saying Obama does not agree with the Iraq war and wants out and McCain would like to continue dumping our money and American lives into the failed venture.

Which mindset do you prefer and then vote accordingly.

To sit here now and say Obama said 8 mths ago he would pull out in 6 months and now he says 12, or whatever, makes no difference, he wants out. He obviously cannot gaurantee a damn thing until he is in the office and can better assess the situation. What he has said to date is that he wants out and there has been no flip flopping on that stance by him.

AmericanDreamer · #56 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I am saying Obama does not agree with the Iraq war and wants out and McCain would like to continue dumping our money and American lives into the failed venture.

Which mindset do you prefer and then vote accordingly.

To sit here now and say Obama said 8 mths ago he would pull out in 6 months and now he says 12, or whatever, makes no difference, he wants out. He obviously cannot gaurantee a damn thing until he is in the office and can better assess the situation. What he has said to date is that he wants out and there has been no flip flopping on that stance by him.

I prefer that a candidate keep his promises. Maybe you need to visit his website and see what those promises concerning Iraq are.

Pragmatist · #57 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

NEW PLAN PROPOSED BY OBAMA'S ADVISOR:

FACT: 60,000-80,000 to remain in Iraq until 2010

You figure it out from this point.

Easy to figure out. It ain't FACT at all, Obama never made such a claim.

AmericanDreamer · #58 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Easy to figure out. It ain't FACT at all, Obama never made such a claim.

Of course he didn't make the claim, yet. His advisors are suggesting this at this time. If you read the OP you would have known this. The thread title also states this.

If Obama goes along with his advisors plan, than Obama has hoodwinked his supporters. It wouldn't be the first time a candidate has made promises in order to get elected, and has changed their mind later.

This is contingent on Obama going along with his advisors plan.

Pragmatist · #59 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Of course he didn't make the claim, yet. His advisors are suggesting this at this time. If you read the OP you would have known this. The thread title also states this.

I did read the op and thats why I know it. I don't give a rats *** what some advisor had to say it was not Obama. You sound like Bush claiming FACT when the SOB never said anything of the sort. Never even said he agreed with it.

ViolaLee · #60 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

It seems like you do not. Explained below.

Obama stated he would withdraw 2 brigades per month, not 1 brigade per month. See facts below.

Obama has not lied about this yet, but if he takes his advisors advice then he would not be keeping his promise to the American people. If you are going to accuse someone of lying you need to be sure you are correct. If you do the proper math, instead of your faulty math, then it is quite clear. You are adjusting the numbers to fit your agenda. Please portray accurate numbers when trying to convince others, since it can be interpreted as misleading on your part.

HERE ARE THE FACTS

FACT: A brigade has 3-5,000 troops.

FACT: "He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."-Barack Obama Website
You need to do the math here:

FACT: 2 brigades each month=6,000-10,000 troops

FACT: 16 months of withdrawal= 96,000-160,000 troops

FACT: Withdrawing 150,000 troops would take about 16 months, which is what Obama promised this. It is in his website and he has stated this in interviews and in the debates. These are the FACTS.

NEW PLAN PROPOSED BY OBAMA'S ADVISOR:

FACT: 60,000-80,000 to remain in Iraq until 2010

You figure it out from this point.

This is VERY different than what Obama initially promised when he started his campaign. An example of how candidates can say what they need to say in order to get the votes and win the trust of the people. An intelligent person can figure it out. Not a rocket science.

You are claiming that it would take 50 months to withdraw the troops? You have no clue, or you are purposely spinning the truth, as usual. I suspect the latter. Why would you fudge the numbers like you did? Maybe it is YOU that is lying here?

Candidates are not elected because of intent. They are elected on PROMISES they make.

You've proven me right.

If the brigades have 3000 in them, after 16 months there will still be about 60,000 in Iraq since there are about 150,000-160,000 there now.

You're really arguing minutia, just to find something to smear him with.

View Poll Results: Will Obama will follow the advice and keep 60,000 troops in Iraq through 2010?
Yes, he will follow the advice of his advisor.	7	70.00%
No, he will not follow the advice of his advisor.	3	30.00%
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