you still don't think ahead. laws are not going to stop these people that believe we and Israel must die and the rest of the world gets the chance to become a Muslim, period!

I'm just suggesting there is more to this than simpe law and right or wrong. If your going to enter in a war then we owe the forces the the ability to win. And we aren't leaving.
Your draft age right?

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Yea can't keep the words of your great leader.

Prophet Muhammad - “Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.”

Who are you talking to?

There is a simple right or wrong. If we continue to do wrong, more people will be against us. Do we want to be the greatest country in the world? Or do we want to be the bad guys? It's a simple choice.

McCain is just another hypocritical politician, talking out of both sides of his mouth, pandering to whatever his current audience wants to hear. If he is elected he'll be just as bad as the idiot in chief we have now.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

How did your senators do in this one Lumara?

Oops they both voted nay.

I think you Tennesseans ought vote em out!

I don't know about hypocritical, more likely a flip-flopper. I mean he's gone back and forth on some other issues so this wouldn't be all that different:ugly:

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I'm 38. will hit my 20th yr in the Army this June. 10 active, 2 mobilized and 7 1/2 reserves. The law isn't for them. Its for us. I hold us to a higher standard then I hold them cause we are America. Torture has never been a good way of gathering intell, they'll tell you what they think you want to hear. I careless that they torture, we don't!!!! or at least we liked to think we didn't. You need to look at the big picture. Islamo-fascism is nothing more then a scare tactic used by the Far Reich Republicans to fool the foolish. If Musliums were so hell bent on domination then we would have had constant nonstop action from them ALL of our Nations history. not little skirmishes here and there, now and then...but constant. Its time to realize that Repubs and a handful of American Corps have caused more damage to America and the world that any Muslium ever could have.

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which came up with an exciting new governing concept
called "Democracy," from the Greek words Dem, meaning
"everybody gets to vote," and ocracy, meaning "except, of
course women, slaves and poor people." -Dave Barry

I find its funny that here is another example of Obama and Clinton bypassing choosing a side on a vote.

Hmm..

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It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
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come on you know you wanna play football..

Beagán agus a rá go maith.

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Forget it. Your just to hard to get to. Light another.

Besides this is law now and maybe the Dem's have strangled our warrior's hands. But not thru your eyes. I hope your out the draft age. I don't want to read your oinion change once you return from combat.

Senate votes to ban waterboarding By PAMELA HESS and LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
26 minutes ago

Senate votes to ban waterboarding - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON - Congress on Wednesday moved to prohibit the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects, despite President Bush's threat to veto any measure that limits the agency's interrogation techniques.

The prohibition was contained in a bill authorizing intelligence activities for the current year, which the Senate approved on a 51-45 vote. It would restrict the CIA to the 19 interrogation techniques outlined in the Army field manual. That manual prohibits waterboarding, a method that makes an interrogation subject feel he is drowning.

The House had approved the measure in December. Wednesday's Senate vote set up a confrontation with the White House, where Bush has promised to veto any bill that restricts CIA questioning.

Arguing for such restrictions, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said the use of harsh tactics would boomerang on the United States.

"Retaliation is the way of the world. What we do to others, they will do to us — but worse," Rockefeller said. "This debate is about more than legality. It is also about morality, the way we see ourselves ... and what we represent to the world."

The legislation bars the CIA from using waterboarding, sensory deprivation or other harsh coercive methods to break a prisoner who refuses to answer questions. Those practices were banned by the military in 2006.

CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden said last week that current law and court decisions, including the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, cast doubt on whether waterboarding would be legal now. Hayden prohibited its use in CIA interrogations in 2006; it has not been used since 2003, he said.

Steven G. Bradbury, acting head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, goes further, saying waterboarding is not now legal — the first time the department has publicly stated such an opinion. Two secret legal memos from Bradbury in 2005 authorized the CIA to use head slaps, freezing temperatures and waterboarding when questioning terror detainees.

"The set of interrogation methods authorized for current use is narrower than before, and it does not today include waterboarding," Bradbury said in remarks prepared for his appearance Thursday before the House Judiciary Constitution subcommittee. "There has been no determination by the Justice Department that the use of waterboarding, under any circumstances, would be lawful under current law."

His testimony was obtained in advance by The Associated Press.

The Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 prohibited cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment for all detainees in U.S. custody, including CIA prisoners.

In comments last week to the House Intelligence Committee, Hayden acknowledged for the first time publicly that the CIA has used waterboarding against three prisoners.

The technique is still officially in the CIA tool kit but it requires the consent of the attorney general and president on a case-by-case basis.

Hayden warned Congress that if the CIA were limited to military techniques, it would adhere to them without wavering, even if it meant failing to get urgent and crucial information. He contends the CIA has different interrogation needs than the military and requires more latitude.

"I guarantee you we will live within those confines of any statute of that nature. But you have to understand there would be no exceptions," he said.

Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, backed by Senate Republicans Olympia Snowe of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, inserted the provision in December into a bill providing guidelines for the running of U.S. intelligence agencies this year.

The 19 approved interrogation techniques in the military field manual include "good cop/bad cop," "false flag" — making prisoners think they are in the custody of another country — and the separation of a prisoner from other prisoners for up to 30 days at a time.

It prohibits military interrogators from hooding prisoners or putting duct tape across their eyes. They may not be stripped naked or forced to perform or mimic sexual acts. They may not be beaten, electrocuted, burned or otherwise physically hurt. They may not be subjected to hypothermia or mock executions. It does not allow food, water and medical treatment to be withheld, and dogs may not be used in any aspect of interrogation.

Republican presidential contender Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, voted against the measure Wednesday.

Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York dared Bush to veto the bill, saying that the president's Iraq war commander, Gen. David Petraeus, rejects harsh interrogation.

"If it's good enough for General Petraeus and FBI Director Robert Mueller, it's good enough for all of America," Schumer said. "If the president vetoes this, he will be voting in favor of waterboarding."

Feinstein noted Bush's repeated declarations that the United States does not torture. "If he means what he says this is the bill to sign," she said.

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Yea can't keep the words of your great leader.

Prophet Muhammad - “Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first.”

mlurp you really need to learn how to use the quote feature.

Thank you for serving our country. Stop writing so many excellent posts. I can't pos rep you so many times in a row!