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Old 02-14-2008, 01:41 AM
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Sorry bud, the MAYO CLINIC is not the New England Journal of Medicen. That is what we are talking about when we want a published study.
That's Mr. Bud to you You also agree that the NEJM is not the Mayo Clinic? Two sources. Two members. Two opinions. A draw.

Your study is for a controlled group study. It does not discuss the ABUSE of steroids that is the issue here. Players are using them WITHOUT medical supervision, and that makes it a problem. You cannot bring up apples when we are talking oranges.

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I’m sorry again sir. But it is you who remains wholly ignorant of this matter. ABUSE of any substance can cause issues, that does not mean the substance when used within a reasonable means is dangerous. There is no proof that steroids when used in such a manner pose any danger to adult men.
Not ignorant at all. We are talking about abuse in MLB, as well as athletes in general. They are not using steroids under a doctors care. They are using it illegally, and THEIR ignorance is contributing to the health problems that are suffered. You are arguing something completely unrelated to the topic. This topic deals with the illegal ABUSE of steroids, not controlled studies of steroids.

Wholly ignorant in this matter? I don't think so. Maybe a bit ignorant, But than again, I am not a doctor. So that is why I researched this and supplied links to support my statements. Don't divert with your controlled studies. Nice try though. And don't be such a grouch

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Old 02-14-2008, 01:53 AM
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That's Mr. Bud to you You also agree that the NEJM is not the Mayo Clinic? Two sources. Two members. Two opinions. A draw.
No. The Mayo Clinic is not a scientific journal for peer reviewed papers.

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Your study is for a controlled group study. It does not discuss the ABUSE of steroids that is the issue here. Players are using them WITHOUT medical supervision, and that makes it a problem. You cannot bring up apples when we are talking oranges.
Wrong, most elite athletes whether its Baseball, Power lifting, strongman, bodybuilding, Track and field, swimming are doing it with educated supervision.

When we are talking about inherent danger of a substance it is vital to know the truth about the substance when it’s used in the proper manner.

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Not ignorant at all. We are talking about abuse in MLB, as well as athletes in general. They are not using steroids under a doctors care.
Vastly untrue for most elite level athelets.

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They are using it illegally, and THEIR ignorance is contributing to the health problems that are suffered. You are arguing something completely unrelated to the topic. This topic deals with the illegal ABUSE of steroids, not controlled studies of steroids.
What about illegal USE, there is no evidence that any one in MBL used steroids in a manner that can be reasonably called abuse.

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Wholly ignorant in this matter? I don't think so. Maybe a bit ignorant, But than again, I am not a doctor. So that is why I researched this and supplied links to support my statements. Don't divert with your controlled studies. Nice try though. And don't be such a grouch
Controlled tests are the standard operating method of evaluating medical issues. I’m sorry you refuse to use them.
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