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A very profound statement. Would you care to elaborate?
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Old 02-13-2008, 06:20 PM
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A very profound statement. Would you care to elaborate?
I have a problem with the "war on drugs" this would be included on that. The entire issue is a waste and a drain. Steroids are just another part of this absurd wasteful "war".
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I have a problem with the "war on drugs" this would be included on that. The entire issue is a waste and a drain. Steroids are just another part of this absurd wasteful "war".
If you knew how steroids affect the body, you would think different about it. For those out there that do not want to see the harm, then this law's for you.

Athletes should not use steroids...it only fools the fans.

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Death from Steroids?
The average US citizen lives to be 77.2 years old. The average citizen doesn't eat right or exercise enough, that's why the obesity rate is at the highest it's ever been. Athletes, especially bodybuilders eat great and exercise a lot. Why are so many dying 20, 30 or even 40 years sooner than the average couch potato?
Steroid Related Deaths - Steroid Health Risks

Steroids pose risks to health, 'spirit' of sports
An anabolic steroid is a synthetic derivative created in a laboratory of testosterone, and therefore can help athletes build muscle mass and strength, facilitating more intense training and faster recovery from physical exertion. But steroid health dangers include the feminization of males and masculinization of females, voice changes, cardiovascular disease, stunted growth in teenagers, clotting abnormalities, alterations in cholesterol, male impotence and psychiatric effects including paranoia, irritability, so-called "roid rage," profound depression and dependency.
Steroids pose risks to health, 'spirit' of sports -- Newsday.com
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"a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill."
athlete - Definitions from Dictionary.com
Trained or gifted, not enhanced. I consider the records in sports that have been achieved using steroids a big fraud.

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If you knew how steroids affect the body, you would think different about it. For those out there that do not want to see the harm, then this law's for you.
I do know how they affect the body. I think that making them illegal is stupid and wasteful. For those that do not want to see that harm do not do steroids. For those who do not want to see a knife wound to your leg, do not stab yourself. That should be the policy of the athletic organization then, not the federal government.
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I do know how they affect the body. I think that making them illegal is stupid and wasteful. For those that do not want to see that harm do not do steroids. For those who do not want to see a knife wound to your leg, do not stab yourself. That should be the policy of the athletic organization then, not the federal government.
The Federal Government has already stated the policy in the form of a LAW. If the MLB wants to allow their players to perform like athletic gods without thinking of their health consequences, someone should step in.

For those unaware of some of the health risks, here you go:
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Steroids pose risks to health, 'spirit' of sports
An anabolic steroid is a synthetic derivative created in a laboratory of testosterone, and therefore can help athletes build muscle mass and strength, facilitating more intense training and faster recovery from physical exertion. But steroid health dangers include the feminization of males and masculinization of females, voice changes, cardiovascular disease, stunted growth in teenagers, clotting abnormalities, alterations in cholesterol, male impotence and psychiatric effects including paranoia, irritability, so-called "roid rage," profound depression and dependency.
Steroids pose risks to health, 'spirit' of sports -- Newsday.com
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The Health Effects of Steroids
Anabolic steroids disrupt the delicate balance of hormones in men. The use of anabolic steroids causes the testes gland to react to the increases in testosterone levels in the blood by producing less testosterone on its own. The testes gland gets an incorrect message that it is no longer needed (because of the disruption in the chemical balance). As a result, the testicles shrink and less sperm are produced which may lead to sterility. Because steroids eventually break down into estradiol (a female sex hormone), a male's breasts will enlarge.
Other consequences for men may include:
frequent, sustained and painful erections (priapism)
impotence
painful urination
enlargement of the prostate gland
severe acne (especially on back and upper arms)
changes in hair growth patterns (facial hair growth is increased and balding on the head is accelerated)
Other Health Risks:
Increased risk of liver tumors
The research is unclear about the potential for increased risk of high blood pressure, high cholesterol and heart abnormalities.
"Roid rage" or increased aggressiveness is commonly reported.
If needles are shared, there is a significant risk of contracting Hepatitis or HIV.
Mens Health Steroid Risk
These the health risks. I could link more facts, but I think this is enough info to get it. Does this shift your position any?

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I like "Newsday" as a source of medical information.

You know there is not be a single scientific published article that even suggests that moderate steroid usage causes any sort of ill side effect. In fact the few that have been published have shown that there are NO ill side effects when used in moderate doses.
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I like "Newsday" as a source of medical information.

You know there is not be a single scientific published article that even suggests that moderate steroid usage causes any sort of ill side effect. In fact the few that have been published have shown that there are NO ill side effects when used in moderate doses.
Now you are talking about "moderate dosage"??? Nice diversion attempt. That is not the topic here. We are talking about the illegal use of steroids in MLB. Here is a very GOOD source on it, from the world known MAYO CLINIC:

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Taking performance-enhancing drugs: Are you risking your health?
Anabolic steroids come with serious side effects.
Men may develop:
Prominent breasts
Baldness
Shrunken testicles
A higher voice
Infertility
Women may develop:
A deeper voice
An enlarged clitoris
Increased body hair
Baldness
Increased appetite
Both men and women might experience:
Severe acne
Liver abnormalities and tumors
Increased low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (the "bad" cholesterol)
Decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol)
Aggressive behaviors, rage or violence
Psychiatric disorders, such as depression
Drug dependence

Taking performance-enhancing drugs: Are you risking your health? - MayoClinic.com
With all due respect, Grouch, I suggest that you research before you post, or else you end up making statements like the one above. The article I provided says the same thing about the risks. I hope the Mayo Clinic link is good enough for you.

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Now you are talking about "moderate dosage"??? Nice diversion attempt. That is not the topic here. We are talking about the illegal use of steroids in MLB. Here is a very GOOD source on it, from the world known MAYO CLINIC:
Sorry bud, the MAYO CLINIC is not the New England Journal of Medicen. That is what we are talking about when we want a published study.

NEJM -- The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men

The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men


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No differences were found between the exercise groups and the no-exercise groups or between the placebo groups and the testosterone groups in any of the five subcategories of anger assessed by the Multidimensional Anger Inventory. No significant changes in mood or behavior were reported by the men on the Mood Inventory or by their live-in partners, spouses, or parents on the Observer Mood Inventory.
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With all due respect, Grouch, I suggest that you research before you post, or else you end up making statements like the one above. The article I provided says the same thing about the risks. I hope the Mayo Clinic link is good enough for you.
I’m sorry again sir. But it is you who remains wholly ignorant of this matter. ABUSE of any substance can cause issues, that does not mean the substance when used within a reasonable means is dangerous. There is no proof that steroids when used in such a manner pose any danger to adult men.
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The Federal Government has already stated the policy in the form of a LAW. If the MLB wants to allow their players to perform like athletic gods without thinking of their health consequences, someone should step in.

For those unaware of some of the health risks, here you go:


These the health risks. I could link more facts, but I think this is enough info to get it. Does this shift your position any?
That is the problem I have with it, that it is a law. I think it should be completely up to the MBA or whatever other organization, the federal government should play no part unless the players sign a contract saying that they won't.

I said that I know the effects of steroids. I was not kidding. I know the health risks of them, that is why I do not do them. I really would not care if taking them meant you would die in 5 years. It still should not be illegal. If a person wants to make that trade that is his choice to make.
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At the Military
He said his main motivation for using steroids was to improve his body image.


“It was also a performance thing with work – I think more so with the infantry. I think you will find that steroid use is a lot more widespread within the infantry than in most other corps.


“The steroids were easy to get a hold of. I think that is because I live in a major city – I’ve heard that in Townsville and Perth it is also very easy to get certain drugs now too.

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