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Old 02-13-2008, 01:16 PM
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I heard a radio host say this earlier today:

"Members of the Democratic party are voting for charisma...not for the best candidate" (Obama)


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That person was probably a loon. Does he/she really think that there is no other reason to vote for Obama? If so, that makes they a fool, if not that makes them a minipulative liar.
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That charisma may rally together many people that have been alienated and outside the political process. The potential is to form a Democratic majority of African Americans, Latino Americans, young people, etc... in future elections. So charism is very important.

And I agree, that is not all there is to Obama.
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I heard a radio host say this earlier today:

"Members of the Democratic party are voting for charisma...not for the best candidate" (Obama)


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I don't think people voting for charisma instead of the best candidate is necessarily limited to the Democratic party. In this instance, though, that statement may be correct. I would have preferred Dennis Kucinich to be the Democrat's choice to run for for POTUS, though. I don't agree with everything he does; however, he seems to be a man of integrity which is the type of candidate this country needs from both major parties. Obama is just another typical politician, which is the last thing our country needs but which we keep getting.
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I heard a radio host say this earlier today:

"Members of the Democratic party are voting for charisma...not for the best candidate" (Obama)


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IMO Obama has all the charisma in that race. That's why he's headlining worldwide. It's a given charisma is an asset.

It confirms your quote that most people here don't have much clue even which party he represents, but they all know who he is.

Historically, I understand Richard Nixon was a hot favourite for election until he went head to head in an infamouse debate (against whom escapes me) and the other guy looked better and came across with more charisma on TV. That debate lost Nixon the election. He learned his lesson and scrubbed up and lost the five o'clock shadow for the next election.

Charisma is crucial. Probably should not be the case, but it is the reality.
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Charisma is undoubtibly an asset, but it does not win elections or votes. Mitt Romney had way more charisma than McCain, but that didn't work so well for him. Obama does have very liberal stands on the issues, but what people like about him is that he will try to communicate with the rebulicans to work together.
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Charisma is undoubtibly an asset, but it does not win elections or votes. Mitt Romney had way more charisma than McCain, but that didn't work so well for him. Obama does have very liberal stands on the issues, but what people like about him is that he will try to communicate with the rebulicans to work together.
Are you trying to say Hillary can't work with Republicans?
Perhaps you haven't followed her years in the Senate:

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For his part, Gingrich, who helped lead the impeachment fight against the former president, called the senator "very practical" and "very smart and very hard-working," adding, "I have been very struck working with her."
New odd couple: Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich - International Herald Tribune

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WASHINGTON, April 29 — Only eight years have passed since Lindsey Graham, then an ambitious Republican member of the House, paraded over to the Senate each day to argue the impeachment case against President Bill Clinton.

How things have changed. Mr. Graham, of South Carolina, is now a senator. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the wife of his adversary, is now a colleague with ambitions of her own.

And the two are — to the amusement of their peers and the distress of liberal activists — increasingly close allies and friends, working together on high-profile issues from military benefits to manufacturing, traveling together on extended trips overseas, even publicly praising each other.

Mr. Graham recently wrote a glowing tribute to Mrs. Clinton for Time magazine's coming 100 Most Influential People issue, in which he calls her a "smart, prepared, serious senator" who "has managed to build unusual political alliances on a variety of issues with Republicans."

"I don't want her to be president," Mr. Graham said in an interview. "We're polar opposites on many issues. But we have been able to find common ground."
From Senator Clinton, a Lesson in Tactical Bipartisanship - New York Times
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First, I didn't say that Hillary doesn't, not yet anyway.

She help founded Media Matters which has openly admitted on the Ed Schultz show that it's watchdog tatics on the radiowaves were focused 100% on conservative talk. Ed asked CEO, David Brock, if he said something that was totally bogus and a bald face lie, would media matters take action to correct it? The answer was no, because "we [media matters] focuses on the conservative talk radio heads."

Hillary called Cheney "Darth Vader," not eactly making an attempt to unify anything. Hillary has a history of ignoring those that she doesn't care about (like republicans and platonic primary states) and focusing on those that she does care about (democratics and Texas/Penn). She does not try to convince republicans of her policies, she does not try to show people that disagree with her that she is right. Obama goes to detroit and tells the auto makers his plan to cut auto emisions, which they don't like, but at least he isn't just pandering to his base and he goes out and trys to convince them that it needs to be done, and many of them reluctantly argeed with him.
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I heard a radio host say this earlier today:

"Members of the Democratic party are voting for charisma...not for the best candidate" (Obama)


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The American sheeple have been voting mainly for charisma ever since John F. Kennedy.
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