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Old 02-06-2008, 02:12 PM
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You might have a point about the economic divide, but I think that Obama is starting to close that gap. I also think that when you have to make the decision between Obama and McCain, I think he would pick up the "beer-track" people there.
Bush took the 'beer-track' voters in 2000 vs Gore and again in 2004 vs Kerry.

Both Gore & Kerry were 'wine-track' candidates like Obama (all three are darlings of the extreme leftwing of the Democratic party).

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It's important to note that Obama has picked up states where the majority of the residents are "beer-track" instead of "wine-track" such as Georgia, Alabama, Kansas, Iowa, Idaho, Alaska, and Utah (traditionally Republican states). Clinton picked up the traditionally "wine" states such as New York and California.
My comments about 'wine-track' and 'beer-track' is not distinguished by states, but by voters themselves. Obama is cleaning up on the over $100,000 income set and the university educateds. Hillary is definitely winning in the working class demographic (and seniors).

That's the key here, not individual states.

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I don't think things are as clear as we would like for them to be and I'm quite sure that the Democratic race for the nomination is going to run up to the nominating convention. I'm still holding out that New Mexico will fall in the Obama camp at the end of the day.
It is irrelevant unless NM is a 'winner take all' state. Otherwise, they are just going to split the delegates.

And if the Democratic Party intends to wait until July to choose a candidate at some silly convention, you ought to get used to the idea of President McCain.

In all probability, the minute the last primary is over, whichever one is leading at that point in delegates will be the defacto winner and all the pressure will come on the one who comes second to bow out to prevent the drag out fight into a July convention mess (which will only harm the Democratic party and hinder victory chances in November).
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Old 02-06-2008, 02:21 PM
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I think that the ticket that comes out of the convention will determine the success of the democrats in the general. I think that both candidates have the ability to take the general election away from McCain.
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Old 02-06-2008, 03:10 PM
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McCain isn't going to win the general election. His Iraq stance is not in touch with a majority of Americans.

Obama has taken more states than Hillary as of now. Hillary has more delegates.
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