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A good subject for another thead, eh?
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Certainly is. I actually hope you've already started so i have something to do after this
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Absolutely. I'm not saying they're 'wrong' in any way. But in a discussion of Allende they will in all likelyhood overstate the 'good' while downplaying the 'bad'. But then you're right. most any media source is likely to do the same. That's why I prefer books...
Nice segue, eh?...
here's a few:
"An Inside View - Allende's Chile" - Edward Boorstein (probably out of print)
"Chile Since Independence" - Leslie Bethell (Cambridge Univ Press)
"A History of Chile - 1808 to 1994" - Collier and Sater (also Cambridge U)
"Fear in Chile - Lives Under Pinochet" - Patricia Politzer (one of the few Chilean journalists who had the stones to speak out while Pinochet was still in power, and survive)
There's tons more I'd love to recommend, but most of them are in Spanish. And, I guess if you're not much of a reader...
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Yeah that might be a step too far. Hola is the extent of my Spanish
I've taken note of the books and as soon as i finish Hegemony or Survival (i know its shameful that a socialist still hasn't read it) I'll start on one of them.
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That's true and in the context of the Cold War, I guess it's totally relevent. So, I'll get off my moralistic soapbox and stop saying intervention is bad no matter what. it is, in my opinion, but of course neither American nor Soviet policy makers bothered to ask ME what I thought at the time. Of course, I was like three months old so...
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If only the US and Soviets had us in charge eh
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I'm not saying praise Pinochet. I'm saying the country learned a lot of hard but useful lessons as a result of his dictatorship, like how to run their country better than it's ever been run before. Neither too far to the left nor too far to the right but right down the center.
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True, i kinda misrepresented your point.
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yeah, I've seen it and for those who have no idea, it's quite an eye opener, but I've been to the same places he went and it's not as bad as he portrays it. yes, there are dirt poor Chileans, but not to the extent he would have had his viewers believe. And there are fewer poor now than under Allende or Pinochet. Again, the government is learning from the past and making positive strides based on the experience (and mistakes) of previous generations.
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Ssshhh, dont tell me that, it's imperative to my argument that Pilger is right.
It is actually my favourite movie ever. You can either credit or blame that for me moving from a simple socialist to a rampant anti imperialist.
Off topic i know, but related to the War on Democracy. Have you seen The Revolution Will Not Be Televised ? My easy second favourite right there.
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Agreed. But by that standard your country and mine are both as poor as any other on Earth.
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Well almost, but to me it is the only truly acceptable measure.
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Well, as you know, that's an 'if' we'll never know and could argue about forever without coming to any good conclusion. You may be right. But then, maybe not.
You're right about that, but like I said, had some on the left had their way, the same things would undoubtedly have happened. That's not to justify anything, not the actions of the right or the left. But again, we'll never know 'what might've been'. Sadly.
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Of course it's all "ifs" and "buts", i like to think Philosophy is my thing so i deal in "ifs" and "buts".
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Stop! I'm gettin all teary-eyed.
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Sir it has been a pleasure
Oh and i apologise for my shocking grammar in my last post, my brain was going faster than my fingers could cope with. I was missing words out, writing half words, it wasn't even simple typos