Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
It is not objective.
|
I am being very objective. If I wasn't objective I would be saying the IRA can do no wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Those facts are not disputed. The people who were treated that way have my sympathy.
|
I can give my sympathy to poor person but its not going to make them rich.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
It is not how they would see it. Can you honestly say these people were not activists? If they were unarmed, that is wrong. But they were involved in what was regarded as terrorist activity.
|
Yeah, I can give names of of people died just by
rubber bullets.
You had to be at least 16 to be in the IRA. Look at that list and tell me how many do you think were in the IRA?
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Sheep fvckers? We prefer the term sheep shaggers.
|
Its the same thing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
They did come to Scotland.
|
The Irish Defense Force did not go to Scotland to take over your country.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
As you know, the Scots have worked to deal with this injustice by political means.
|
So, you do not take an Oath to the Queen? Laws passed in Westminster have no effect on you? You have your own Scottish Army? You have your own economy? You have your own Currency? You can refuse to send troops to wars which those in Westminster gets involved with?
So tell me what has Scotland done with Political means? I can show you what violent means gets you.. Its called United States of America, Republic of Ireland, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), and Israel.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
The Labour Party has not been lead by an Englishman for years now. Neil Kinnock was Welsh (so even the Welsh have caught onto the idea that you have to get one of your own to the top of the political tree in order to get these annoying English gits out of your country's business) John Smith was the next leader and was a Scot, followed by Blair, another Scot and now Gordon Brown yet another Scot.
|
Doesn't matter. The Labour Party is part of the English establishment. That part has accepted English rule in Scotland.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Nobody died to acquire this power.
|
Because they agree with English rule. They say God Save the Queen as they look for a pay check from Westminster.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
I understand where you're coming from, but this is sticking your head in the sand. It is the law. I don't accept it is right, but I don't accept the violent way is going to work for the Irish. It is just distracting attention from the real way to acquire power, which is by political means.
|
So because its the law makes it right? It was the law to trade slaves and enslave people, that didn't make it right. It was the law (Penal Laws) to take land from Catholics and give it to Protestant landlords. It was a right to take tonnes of food from Ireland so the those in England could partake in gluttony while the Irish (who harvested this food) were starving.
You know what political means has gotten Ireland? Nothing. Its been 10 years since the Good Friday Agreement (Belfast Agreement) and Northern Ireland is still ruled by Westminster. Sectarian violence has gone up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Why would they do that? What reason did they have to train loyalists?
|
British and Loyalist collusion
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
It was not going to stop with England though, was it? It is known that the IRA had a hitlist which included Scottish targets.
|
What are you on about? As long as Scotland was part of the UK and the British Government was still in Northern Ireland.. Scotland will remain a legitimate target. It had nothing to do with taking over anyone or anybody.. its was about getting the British Government out of Ireland. End of Story.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
And as you know, other countries have been subjugated by English arrogance and have found non-violent ways to outflank them.
|
And I gave you a list of countries that proved you wrong. You can even throw Afghanistan, South Africa, India, and Pakistan on to that list.
Nobody has outflanked the British Government by political means.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Do you not see that the violence is playing straight into their hands? While the Irish are mindlessly running about involving themselves in that pointless crap, no political progress is made and that is the real way for them to gain power over these gits...
|
You are such a British Tool. Those Irish that mindlessly ran around from 1916-1921, have a country of their own. Hell, they should have the whole Island, but because of political means (Anglo-Irish treaty) 6 counties remain in English hands.
So sell your political means bit elsewhere.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Jonathan Ball was 3 years old.
He was a beautiful child. He was shopping for a Mother's Day gift.
Tim Parry was ****ing 12 years old Finny. 12. Ring any bells with you, that particular age?
My aunt lives in Manchester and has 2 children. She used that shopping centre every week. I have shopped there myself, with her.
|
That's what happens in war. Don't like it, tell your Government you want the Union Jack taken down at the Stormont and to raise the tri-color. Let the Irish settle their problems. They did it before, they can do it again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
Your statement turns my stomach. I will not be watching your link.
|
Good, your comments turn mine as well. You are defending British "right" in Ireland. The same British Government that have caused 836 years of turmoil in Ireland. I find the Union Jack flying on the isle of Ireland (Hibernia) as an insult.
You know that the Manchester bombing was one of the rare times that the British Government knew about it hours before and yet somehow 200 people still got injured.. doesn't that seem a bit weird?
The IRA always called in warnings and gave the location of the area the bomb was in the 90s.
Quote:
Originally Posted by goz
These people can be known, but reasons exist to leave them be. It is a mistake to underestimate any government department. They work in mysterious ways and their reasons exist but are not obvious. They get around to dealing with things in their own sweet time.
|
Do you know how many raids the RUC/PSNI have raided Thomas Murphy? They tried it in March 2006 and they couldn't get him. It took the Irish Government to arrest him the following year on Tax Evasion, which he won't be convicted.
Thomas Murphy is not a person you take your sweet time with. He planned the Warren Point ambush (killing 18 British Soldiers in 1979), He financed the IRA's English bombing campaign of the 90's.. Warrington, Bishopgate, and Canary Wharf and he was in charge of the South Armagh Bridge and Chief of Staff of the Army Council. The British Government wanted him badly.